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Impact on rare birds nesting? Are they taking the p... or what? This is the thin end of a wedge which has very serious implications for our sport. I hope dialogue is taking place between the FRA (on our behalf) and all these self-appointed guardians of the countryside. :mad:
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The Noor has felt the need to PM me on this issue thus:
"Why are you being so arsey over this issue? You ask if they are 'taking the p***', yet you seem to have an attitude of "I don't give a sh*t what people think, I'll do what I like , who cares if I destroy the sensitive environment and harm wildlife in the process." What an amazingly thoughtless and selfish line of thinking....!
Possibly you know something I don't....
I'm amazed!"
(edited by Fellhound to moderate bad language)
Apart from being a major over-reaction and rather insulting, this message illustrates that many people are far too willing to just accept the pseudo-environmental dogma that is now regularly trotted out by "conservationists".
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Hi there,
In support of the organisers, I heard some years ago that the Saunders mountain marathon would not be held in this area for the same reason.
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My original comment was not an attack on the organisers. They have tried to be as flexible as possible. It's Natural England who have set their faces against the event taking place (on the scheduled date anyway) - a recurring theme, in the Lakes, in Bowland, ..where next?
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Fellhound
It's Natural England who have set their faces against the event taking place - a recurring theme, in the Lakes, in Bowland, ..where next?
The organisers of the Old Crown Round have been approached by the National Park Authority on behalf of 'Natural England' who are concerned about the impact of the event on rare birds which they believe might still be nesting on some parts of the route during June. We have been asked to consider rescheduling the event until after the possible nesting period of the birds which can extend up to July 20th.
I can see rescheduling but i cant see where Natural England say the event can`t take place or am i missing something (no need to answer) as i have no intention of being drawn into a pointless debate, as i am 100% behind the Noor, The organisers and Natural england and as long as commonsense prevails amoungst all parties concerned then our sport should survive.
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Well I'm not the only one to have concerns about increasing restrictions imposed by (insert name of conservation body here) and it's not the first event to run into this kind of problem this year.
I ask a simple question: how much impact does our tiny sport really have? This is a low key event with likely a smallish field. Let's have a sense of perspective.
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JohnK
...i have no intention of being drawn into a pointless debate
Strange that you should enter it then.... :rolleyes:
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I love running on the fells round here, and my runs are greatly enhanced on occasions when i have a chance encounter with wildlife which finds it's habitat in those fells. If we're advised to run a race, a month or two later in the year so that this may continue, then i'm happy to do that. Thanks and well done to the organisers for their decision.
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Ahh, that's nice...
It seems you all (well, all three of you) believe Natural England have the best interests of the countryside at heart and that they pose no threat to any of our freedoms. I hope your faith is not misplaced. :(
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Fellhound
Impact on rare birds nesting? Are they taking the p... or what? This is the thin end of a wedge which has very serious implications for our sport. I hope dialogue is taking place between the FRA (on our behalf) and all these self-appointed guardians of the countryside. :mad:
Fellhound - I am pretty angry at your reaction to this. Unless you're trolling (and it would be a shame if this forum became a place where this happened). I think you should reassess your reaction.
Firstly, NE and the LDNAP have asked for a postponement, not a cancellation, so you can still partake in this event. You can go and run the old crown round on your tod any day of the week. It is not as I see it a threat to our freedoms. How about a little bit of give and take!
Despite it being a small event, it could still have a damaging impact. Even 20 runners all running close past a nest could mean that nest fails. Compund that across the country due to similar intrusions and thats another species on the endangered list. Some of our upland birds not to mention our so called common garden birds are in sharp decline.
They also have the LAW on their side. It is illegal to disturb any birds nest once it has signs of new nesting activity until the feldglings have left the nest. So technically if you were out running and disturbed a nest - even by say by acccidentaly treading on it - you are breaking the law. If you left your fell shoes out in the garden to dry for a few days and a blackbird nested in them - that's it no more fell running with them on until its young has flown the nest.
I don't know who you are or your background, but I came into fell running from hill walking and mountaineering so for me one of the highlights of fell running is being out on the fells and that you can see wildlife along the way. Climbers have long accepted bird bans placed on crags which can be from banning climbing on a few routes around the nest to the entire crag for the nesting season. These bans are not always implemented consitently, e.g. a peregrine on one crag may mean its banned out right, and another peregrine on another crag might just mean a few routes are out. BUT climbers accept this as part and parcel of access, because its all very well having the beautiful views but with no birds or other wildlife these places would loose a significant part of their attraction.
If you are not bothered about appreciating what nature has to offer start running on the roads. You won't find many birds disrupting your training plans there.
Kat
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Very well put Kat, I agree totally,I wasn't going to post as I think it sometimes inflames the matter:mad:
As well as the moral/commonsense/love of the outdoors side of things, we should be working alongside the different bodie's rather than winding them up or ignoring them. This will surely be beneficial to the countryside and its wildlife and also help improve relationships with fellrunners and other outdoor users
Ken
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Oh, please... give me some credit.
I too came from a hillwalking (etc etc etc) background and have probably doing this stuff in the Lakes for a lot longer than you have.
What I see is a very small sport with a very low impact on one side and a large organisation with a very different agenda on the other. This is not about the Old Crown Round or some genuinely rare birds nesting in a genuinely sensitive area. It's about a growing trend to curtail our freedoms in the name of conservation, whether justified or not.
Where it is justified I can have no argument but this is the latest in a string of similar curtailments that I am aware of and I simply do not believe many of the restrictions are justified. Natural England seem to have a policy of "where possible, say no" and that's not good enough for me.
It's as simple and as reasonable as that.
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Fellhound
What I see is a very small sport with a very low impact on one side and a large organisation with a very different agenda on the other.
And if all the other people who participate in "small" sports and recreational activities that use the same patch of countryside also take the same attitude as you, will the birds get any peace to bring their fledgings up successfully?
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I am fully in support of the organisers and Natural England. I'm not sure that my inconvenience matters as much as conserving what little (rare or not) we haven't already destroyed.
I think that might be eight of us.