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    Distances...

    Anyone have a online link for the distances/ascent allowed at each age group for juniors?

    Links on fell junior site seem to be down

    Cheers

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    Re: Distances...

    No rules on ascent
    U/18-6m
    U/16-4m
    U/14-3m
    U/12-m (i think-may be 2.5)
    U/10 and U/8 not sure but think 1m and 1/2mile
    Trying to plod up hills every day slightly faster than the day before

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    RULE TEN
    Race organisers must stipulate age limits for their events but the following maximum distance limits for
    juniors must be observed.
    Ages are as at 1st January in the year of competition.
    For FRA Fell Races, the minimum age for competition is six years, and the following distance limits must
    be applied.
    Under 8 - ½ mile (0.8k)
    Under 10 - 1 mile (1.6k)
    Under 12 - 2 miles (3.2k)
    Under 14 - 3 miles (4.8k)
    Under 16 - 4 miles (6.4k)
    Under 18 - 6 miles (9.6k)
    For paired Mountain Marathon style orienteering events, over one or two days, where one of the two run-
    ners is under 18, the other runner must be over 20 and must also be the parent or guardian of the junior
    runner. The minimum age for the junior runner is 14, and the following straight line distance limits must
    apply for each day of the event.
    Under 16 - 12 miles (19.2k)
    Under 18 - 15 miles (24.0k)

    See Committee page on FRA website - Rules for Comp.

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    Try getting that across to stroppy parents who want their kid to run with his/her older mates in the next age category up; as we had at registration for the Hodder Valley Show last year!! A 17 year old's "parents" were full-on that he should run with his older mates in the Senior race ( Medium distance ) and he didn't even have any kit with him, as stipulated for medium length events in the FRA rules.
    Junior races are essential for encouraging new blood into the ranks; and it's great to see the kid's enjoying their races. However, I help the organisers of 3 events that include junior races and it's always the pushy parents that prove to be a fly in the ointment!!
    Last edited by wheezing donkey; 16-07-2010 at 09:58 AM.

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    Yes I always dread the pushy parent but so far I've been very lucky. I did have a request for friends to run together. I suggested they run in the younger category at which point the older ones decided they could cope alone!

    Mary

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    Grandparents can be pushy too - about ten years ago I remember one promising young lady who was put off running altogether by her tetchy Grandad moaning at her!

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    Thanks this info is very usful. I want to start a fun running club for my daughters, neice & some friends but wasn't sure on how far they should run. They have taken part in a 1.5k fun run & loved it but wanted to make sure they don't over do it. Their ages 3 upwards. I thought I do some fun stretching, teach how to run a nice pace & then some cool down stretches just once a week for now. I'm not qualified in anything but wanted to make sure I'm doing it right. Anything anybody wants to add?

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    Re: Distances...

    Quote Originally Posted by IainR View Post
    Anyone have a online link for the distances/ascent allowed at each age group for juniors?

    Links on fell junior site seem to be down

    Cheers

    Iain
    Found it Iain, this is a portion quoted from SHR Website:


    Although the recommendations in the rest of this document only have the
    status of guidelines, it is mandatory that the UK Athletics rules are followed in
    any
    scottishathletics permitted hill race. Rule 410 applies particularly to junior
    hill races and reads as follows:

    Race organisers must stipulate age limits for their events but the following limits
    for younger runners must be observed:
    a) The minimum age limit for competition is 6 years on the day of the race.
    b) The maximum distances for younger runners shall be:
    Ages on 1
    st January Maximum distance
    in year of competition
    Under 8 years I km
    Under 10 years 2 km
    Under 12 Years 3 km
    Under 14 Years 5 km
    Under 16 Years 6 km
    Under 18 Years 10 km

    3. Ascent and Descent
    3.1. The main factor that distinguishes hill racing from the other endurance
    athletics disciplines is the significant ascent and descent involved. It is,
    therefore, important that this element should be provided in all hill race
    courses, including those designed for juniors. However, junior courses
    should not place excessive physical demands on the participants. Melantee
    and Glamaig are examples of excellent senior races which, although short
    enough to qualify as U14 and U16 junior courses respectively under a literal
    interpretation of UK Athletics Rule 410, are far too steep and demanding to
    be suitable for these age groups.
    3.2. The recommended guideline for junior courses is that the total amount
    of ascent for up and down courses should be between 5% and 7.5% of the
    length. For example, a course 2 km long should have between 100 m and
    150 m of ascent whilst one 5 km long should have between 250 m and 375 m
    of ascent. The ascent and descent should generally be spread throughout
    the course so that the distinctive hill running character predominates.
    Courses with a long flat run in to the hill will not generally be suitable for
    junior hill races. If they have the recommended amount of ascent for their
    length they are likely to be excessively steep on the hill section. If they do
    not, they will be predominantly road races in character rather than hill races.
    4. Terrain
    4.1. It is recommended that junior courses should normally have marked
    routes and should follow paths or reasonably straightforward terrain. Rugged
    terrain with boulder fields, crags or excessively steep slopes should be
    avoided.
    5. Course Combinations
    5.1. It will rarely be practicable or appropriate to provide a full range of
    separate courses for all junior age groups. So long as the maximum lengths
    set out in UKA rule 410 are not exceeded, courses can provide suitable
    competition for a combination of age groups. In deciding how to combine
    age groups, it is worth bearing in mind that boys and girls differ in how their
    strength to weight ratio develops through their teens. It may, therefore, be
    appropriate to provide shorter courses for girls than for boys in the U16 and
    U18 age groups.
    5.2. Two sets of course combinations are suggested in these guidelines.
    One is suggested for events particularly aimed at juniors, for instance the
    Scottish Junior Championships and the Junior Home International Trial. The
    other is suggested for organisers of senior races wishing to provide a real hill
    running experience for juniors without excessive additional course marking.
    5.3. The suggested course combinations for up and down races aimed
    particularly at juniors are as follows:
    Age Groups Length (approx) Ascent (approx)
    U12B, U12G, U10B, U10G 2 km 100 m
    U14B, U14G 4 km 200 m
    U16G 5 km 250 m
    U16B, U18G 6 km 350 m
    U18B 8 km 500 m
    5.4 The suggested course combinations for junior up and down races held in
    conjunction with senior races is as follows:
    Age Groups Length (approx) Ascent (approx)
    U12B, U12G, U10B, U10G 2 km 100 m
    U14B, U14G, U16B, U16G, U18B, U18G 5 km (max) 300 m
    It should be noted that this arrangement is designed to cater for the full range
    of age groups with the minimum number of courses and inevitably results in
    some compromises. This particularly applies to the course for U14 to U18
    which will be at the long end of the acceptable range for the U14 competitors
    and on the short side for the U18 boys. Inexperienced or weak U14
    competitors should be advised that they may prefer to run the U12 course.
    Strong U18 competitors may prefer to run the senior course and so long as it
    does not exceed the 10km maximum specified in UKA rule 410 there is no
    reason why they should not do so.
    5.5 All advance information and details supplied to publishers of fixture
    calendars should state the length and climb for each course provided and the
    age groups appropriate to each course. For the example in paragraph 5.4
    above, this would take the following form:
    Long Junior: 5.0 km, 300 m U18B, U18G, U16B, U16G, U14B, U14G
    Short Junior: 2.0 km, 100 m U12B, U12G, U10B, U10G
    6. Layout of Courses
    6.1 It is recommended that junior courses should be clearly marked on the
    ground and that maps of the courses should be made available to
    participants. The amount of marking can be minimised if courses share as
    many common elements as possible. With a simple out and back course
    design, it may be possible to use the same basic route for all courses with
    turning points at different locations as required. It is quite common for senior
    courses to start and finish with a flat section of a mile or so to and from the
    hill. If junior courses are to be combined with this type of senior course, it
    may be necessary to arrange a separate start and finish point closer to the
    bottom of the hill.


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    Re: Distances...

    Thanks Peeejay

    My inadequate brain has always found this difficult to understand

    Rule 10 max distances for juniors
    Under 8 - 1⁄2 mile (0.8k)
    Under 10 - 1 mile (1.6k)
    Under 12 - 2 miles (3.2k)
    Under 14 - 3 miles (4.8k)
    Under 16 - 4 miles (6.4k)
    Under 18 - 6 miles (9.6k)

    As anoother way of putting it am I right in thinking:
    6 or 7 on race day - max of 1⁄2 mile (0.8k)
    8 or 9 on race day - max of 1 mile (1.6k)
    10 or 11 on race day - max of 2 miles (3.2k)
    12 or 13 on race day - max of 3 miles (4.8k)
    14 or 15 on race day - max of 4 miles (6.4k)
    16 or 17 on race day - max of 6 miles (9.6k)

    Is that right?

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    Hey Dan, ages are 1st Jan on year of competition for FRA, so if a 9 year old (on the 1st Jan)has a birthday on the 2nd of Jan, becomes 10 but is eligible for under 10 competition that year. Different competitions can have different dates on which age is taken eg Bofra which I believe is on the first race at Sedbergh in May 15ish, I think. Cross country races can vary too, some using school year or age on 1st September. And other races ( i think Grasmere, Dufton Pike) simply use age on day of race. Just to keep you on your toes!

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