but to complicate things last time I was up there I did what sounds like you did Rob crossing the top of the first gully (Great gully?) then going DOWN the second for 40m? before breaking out left down the ramp line the other route joins further down, this would be a good few mins faster as most of the route is on grass but its not obvious at all where to get out of the gully.
The 2nd gully you mention being an obvious narrowish stony gully, fairly runnable? Can you suggest a GR? I'll have to download my GPS track tonight to get an idea where I was on the map. Anyway, the route I ended up with seemed pretty runnable after the stony gully was crossed, so unless I find someone for 7 July who knows it well, I guess that's what I'll do.
Blue line was the one Splatcher described green the "new" way
Greatend Descent new JNC.jpg
What's the quickest route up High Raise? Straight up the gully or swing L on the path?
And the Rossett Pike ascent - keep L through Langdale Combe or keep R on the longer line with maybe 50m less drop?