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    "It would be unfair to ask people to make a crucial decision, without the information they need to make that decision."

    Theresa May 16/3/2017.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T View Post
    "It would be unfair to ask people to make a crucial decision, without the information they need to make that decision."

    Theresa May 16/3/2017.
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    think this is why Ms Sturgeon and the SNP are agitating, because if May does pull it off, they will be toast as far as independence goes.
    Not sure I agree with this. The independence movement might appear a fairly cohesive unit right now, but it's actually a mass of groups with a common goal. And there's significant pressure to progress the cause, to me it looks as much like united we stand divided we fall. SNP, Labour for independence, Business for Scotland, Hebridean Goats for independence, you think of a group, there's a 'for independence' group for it.

    Not that Westminster would dream of a divide and conquer policy. Obvs, no siree.

    I just can't see anything at all that's going to bring Scotland closer to England, and although things may go a bit Quebecish if this round fails. The roots of the movement will remain, and unless there's a political/ideological alignment it's hard to see the union surviving more than 20-30 years.
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    In as much as independence for Scotland is a big thing it is bonkers to think a referendum can be called whenever the moment suits, which is exactly what is happening. It is no different from the electorate demanding another brexit referendum on something having changed in the negotiations, notwithstanding the fact that we voted to leave the EU as the UK - not as England, Wales, Scotland etc, etc or London, Dunny on the Wold etc, etc.

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    They can't just call for a referendum whenever they want. It has to be won via a majority of pro referendum MSPs

    And that needs the Scottish electorate to vote in those MSPs first (already done via cross party common objectives), then for those MSPs to vote for it.

    And, theoretically it needs some evidence of popular support, which was also an election statement by the SNP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaunaneto View Post
    And, theoretically it needs some evidence of popular support, which was also an election statement by the SNP.
    I thought that there wasn't much popular support for another independence referendum, at least in the short-term according to recent opinion polls. So if that's the case and given that in the SNP's manifesto it said that one would only be called if there was popular support, how do the SNP have a mandate for it?

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    The argument goes that the Scottish electorate voted in a majority of pro independence parties.

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    Sorry miss read your post a wee bit.

    Support for a referendum in the near future is lacking.

    Support for independence is actually pretty robust

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaunaneto View Post
    Sorry miss read your post a wee bit.

    Support for a referendum in the near future is lacking.

    Support for independence is actually pretty robust
    So do you agree that they should hold a referendum when there is an appetite among the Scottish electorate to have one, rather than calling for one when there isn't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T View Post
    "It would be unfair to ask people to make a crucial decision, without the information they need to make that decision."

    Theresa May 16/3/2017.
    But surely this applies to Brexit as much as it applies to the proposed second Scotland Independence Referendum.

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