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    I know a few who do grouse beating.

    Is that the same?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stagger View Post
    I know a few who do grouse beating.

    Is that the same?
    Yes, cap doffing paid lackies of the bastards. It may be a day of exercise on the moor, but it supports driven grouse shooting, which results in the illegal persecution of raptors.

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    This is good news. The RSPB has also decided to mount a legal challenge to Natural England's decision to license brood management. Excellent! Well done to Mark Avery & Crowd funding for leading the way. I know it's a long way to go but maybe this will show the bully boys that our beautiful Hen Harriers have a thousand voices shouting up for them. http://r.mail.crowdjustice.com/1a2opp917jale3f.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaceTheSweeper View Post
    This is good news. The RSPB has also decided to mount a legal challenge to Natural England's decision to license brood management. Excellent! Well done to Mark Avery & Crowd funding for leading the way. I know it's a long way to go but maybe this will show the bully boys that our beautiful Hen Harriers have a thousand voices shouting up for them. http://r.mail.crowdjustice.com/1a2opp917jale3f.html
    Good stuff. Brood Management is permission to kill harriers

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattPo View Post
    Good stuff. Brood Management is permission to kill harriers
    I appreciate your beliefs Matt, but please justify this statement.

    Have a read of this short presentation about conservation conflict management, in our case (mid Wales) concerning curlew, but applies to any conservation conflict. http://www.curlewcall.org/wp-content...paths-talk.pdf

    Personally I think Mark Avery's approach is wrong and will do little to improve matters for the Hen Harrier (I do want more Hen Harriers, so please don't jump to other conclusions). I think he is obsessed with bringing an end to grouse shooting/moors and using the Hen Harrier debate as a tool for his wants.
    I belief brood management is a considerable move forward for the good of hen harriers in the short term, it's a start and will result in more hen harriers spread throughout England, into areas where there are none, I cannot see why anyone is against that? I read a Mark Avery post about his latest plans and he was (IMO) economical with the truth and I don't believe he does conservation of hen harriers any favours.
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    Please excuse my ignorance but does Brood Management refer to the grouse or hen harrier? By the way, as a young lad, in Mid-Wales, we used to gather curlew and lapwing eggs to eat. How times have changed!
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    Basically, under licence, when hen harriers and their nests reach a certain density in a grouse moor area, eggs may be removed, hatched and reared in captivity and then released into other areas where there are no hen harriers. A proven method that has been used around the world for other species, including used by the RSPB who object so strongly to this (having first agreed to it).
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/i...lp-hen-harrier

    I take it from your name you are an ex Llanidloes boy? We lived there for 25 years and now a bit further south.

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    https://www.grough.co.uk/magazine/20...f-prey-decline
    I think this states the case that Driven Grouse shooting is bad for raptors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by molehill View Post
    Basically, under licence, when hen harriers and their nests reach a certain density in a grouse moor area, eggs may be removed, hatched and reared in captivity and then released into other areas where there are no hen harriers. A proven method that has been used around the world for other species, including used by the RSPB who object so strongly to this (having first agreed to it).
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/i...lp-hen-harrier

    I take it from your name you are an ex Llanidloes boy? We lived there for 25 years and now a bit further south.
    Llani born and bred

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    Brood Meddling , Hen Harriers shouldn't be be shot and poisoned on grouse moors in the first place.

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