Hi Ian, Yes Steve would count as an epic BG, the Dodds were not very friendly for us...... 2001 was a tough year........oh hang on they're all tough on the Heb! We 'rescued' the Greek swimmer from the team - they'd just left him at a swim start (cold wind and rain) and drove off to find their paddler and biker from the previous section - got him in the van as our swimmer was getting ready and as we were just ready to go, his team turned up again.