Informed consent is obviously crucial, which requires access to a broad range of specialist opinion and facts. Here's a very recent vid from The World Council for Health who hosted a press conference in London on September 27, 2022 featuring one of Britain?s most influential cardiologists: Dr. Aseem Malhotra.
https://worldcouncilforhealth.org/mu...ss-conference/
Am Yisrael Chai
I had my booster 10 days ago. No adverse effects (yet). I'm not sure if I count as "non-elderly".
In his lifetime he suffered from unreality, as do so many Englishmen.
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I haven't had mine yet, as I'm still pondering. I think it's the claimed reference to possible cardio-vascular problems as a result of the vaccines, outweighing (maybe!) the risk of covid itself, even at my doddering age, that has made me hesitant; as well as some of the draconian public policies imposed over the past couple of years that I've reacted against.
I've checked his wiki page and it seems he's a genuine cardiologist and not some red neck quack. I was also a bit unsettled by the manner in which the contributors to the Great Barrington Declaration were roundly vilified by the media ( https://gbdeclaration.org/ ) a year or so ago.
I'm not a medic, but in my own specialism of applied psychology, I've certainly been made uncomfortable by the broadening medicalisation of children's psychological behaviours often as pathological and requiring pharmaceutical treatments, based on some questionable research - more Big Pharma? Would Big Pharma be happy with me having jab No.4? No. 44? No. 444...?
Anyway, I just think it's prudent to have a read around and be a bit sceptical (while being sceptical of the sceptics too!)
Am Yisrael Chai
One is right to be sceptical of Big Pharma but nobody gets papers published, invited onto platforms, becomes reported in the media,...by upholding the accepted consensus. My son, daughter, daughter-in-law, grand-daughter,...all work in front line medicine and have had the injections, as have I.Originally Posted by Mossdog
I haven't had mine yet, as I'm still pondering. I think it's the claimed reference to possible cardio-vascular problems as a result of the vaccines, outweighing (maybe!) the risk of covid itself, even at my doddering age, that has made me hesitant; as well as some of the draconian public policies imposed over the past couple of years that I've reacted against.
I've checked his wiki page and it seems he's a genuine cardiologist and not some red neck quack. I was also a bit unsettled by the manner in which the contributors to the Great Barrington Declaration were roundly vilified by the media ( https://gbdeclaration.org/ ) a year or so ago.
I'm not a medic, but in my own specialism of applied psychology, I've certainly been made uncomfortable by the broadening medicalisation of children's psychological behaviours often as pathological and requiring pharmaceutical treatments, based on some questionable research - more Big Pharma? Would Big Pharma be happy with me having jab No.4? No. 44? No. 444...?
Anyway, I just think it's prudent to have a read around and be a bit sceptical (while being sceptical of the sceptics too!
We all must choose what we believe - but then so, presumably, did Icarus.
"...as dry as the Atacama desert".
I have two related children on Ritalin, for ADHD. One has been on around 4-5 years now and approaching teens.
I've asked what the out is.
You give a child a diet high in carbs, don't create an environment where they can burn them off, but stick them in front of a TV or tablet for hours on end, head off to the GP and they end up on drugs for years and the only direction of travel seems to be increased dosage.
A child who was a wiry and yes a lively 7 year old, is now an obese 12 year old.
I can't help but question the logic and morality of the way our system is dealing with such issues.
Richard Taylor
"William Tell could take an apple off your head. Taylor could take out a processed pea."
Sid Waddell
Paul Kingsnorth - why I changed sides in the vaccine-wars. A interesting, thoughtful listen, with no ranting, polarisation, or brickbats hurled...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_uAwsVn10Y
Am Yisrael Chai
Interesting - and he does not try to persuade people to change sides.
As far as I can tell Aseem's claims about the mRNA vaccines are not taken seriously by those in the know. His 2 papers - published in an obscure journal of which he is one of the editors - have been soundly demolished by a couple of experts I trust. Even Tassim Nicholas Taleb calls his view on vaccines "BS".
One of the problems with social media is that even utter nonsense will have lots of supporters.
I have had 4 vaccinations against Covid - and - over the years, possibly 15 or so against 'flu. A slightly sore arm a couple of times - no other side effects.
I'm not on Twitter, but browsing the internet I did see how Tassim Nicholas Tableb raged about Asseem calling his work "BS".
Interestingly, I also noted a few of Tassim's quoted 'wisdoms';
"The psychologist Gerd Gigerenzer has a simple heuristic. Never ask the doctor what you should do. Ask him what he would do if he were in your place. You would be surprised at the difference"
― Nassim Nicholas Taleb, Antifragile: Things That Gain from Disorder
He appears to be advocating questioning of the established authority too,
and...
"Charm is the ability to insult people without offending them; nerdiness the reverse"
― Nassim Nicholas Taleb
"It is my great hope someday, to see science and decision-makers rediscover what the ancients have always known. Namely that our highest currency is respect."
― Nassim Nicholas Taleb, The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable
Tassim seems to be a bit of a charmless nerd by his own definition, and fails to take his own advice, unless of course we don't take him seriously at his word - there's a word for such empty spouting that I also think Tassim is fond of using
Am Yisrael Chai
I was initially extremely pleased we had a vaccine back at the end of 2020. Peace of mind for my parents and others like them was my main reason.I'm not on Twitter, but browsing the internet I did see how Tassim Nicholas Tableb raged about Asseem calling his work "BS".
Interestingly, I also noted a few of Tassim's quoted 'wisdoms';
"The psychologist Gerd Gigerenzer has a simple heuristic. Never ask the doctor what you should do. Ask him what he would do if he were in your place. You would be surprised at the difference"
― Nassim Nicholas Taleb, Antifragile: Things That Gain from Disorder
He appears to be advocating questioning of the established authority too,
and...
"Charm is the ability to insult people without offending them; nerdiness the reverse"
― Nassim Nicholas Taleb
"It is my great hope someday, to see science and decision-makers rediscover what the ancients have always known. Namely that our highest currency is respect."
― Nassim Nicholas Taleb, The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable
Tassim seems to be a bit of a charmless nerd by his own definition, and fails to take his own advice, unless of course we don't take him seriously at his word - there's a word for such empty spouting that I also think Tassim is fond of using
I was a little bemused when they started going down the age groups as far as they did. I expected it to be aimed at the same demographic as the flu jab.
Let's face it, the covid vaccine was, and still is, only under an emergency use authorisation.
I was concerned when having advised pregnant women or women planning pregnancy not to take, the advise changed quickly around June 2021 and all of a sudden midwifes were pushing the vaccine, including on my 5 months pregnant daughter.
On what evidence? It wasn't tested on any pregnant women, there was no history at all, purely conjecture.
The data produced to show how much pregnant women benefited around Sept 2021 and presented in the Commons was rigged. It showed the number of unvaccinated with problems on data going back to January at a time when it was technically impossible for anyone to have been vaccinated, so the data came from almost 100% unvaccinated.
I was even more concerned when they went after kids. The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation recommended not.
Not for under 16s in August 2021.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ldren-under-16
A little Feng Shui of the committee members and then there was a guarded change of mind and by early 2022 it's yes to 5-11 year olds.
As for the medical world generally.
It must be extremely hard when you have gone down a route on the basis of faith to consider that your faith might have been misplaced.
But there are enough people out there, who's credentials were impeccable pre-covid even if attempts have been made to discredit them since, who have been raising serious concerns.
It's also pretty clear now that the effects of the vaccine is pretty poor. You can still get covid, you can still spread covid, and in some studies vaccination has actually been seen to be less effective than no vaccination.
Any admission that maybe the effectiveness was oversold, or that the side effects appear to be played down or hidden would be a bad look for the medical world.
I'd finally add that through covid we heard a lot about excess deaths, to demonstrate the authenticity of the virus we were faced with.
Not much talk of excess deaths now, which should be lower post pandemic, having lost many of the vulnerable. But excess deaths are still running high, especially in the young to middle age and these are now non-covid excess deaths.
I expect there's a lot more to come out in due course.
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