World Cross Country

To get this thread back on track.

The reason why british athletes are not fulfilling their natural potential, is because many don't understand the principles of training, and neither do the people who are coaching them.

According to Peter Coe, Seb ran a ten mile in training, in the late seventies, in 45 minutes.At that time he wasn't running more than 50 miles a week.Yet the 100-200 miles per week brigade couldn't run anywhere near as fast.

Yes Coe was exceptional, but so were many others who couldn't run as fast.Peter Coe understood the principles of exercise, and applied them to the training of his son, hence his success.

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Originally Posted by christopher leigh

To get this thread back on track.

The reason why british athletes are not fulfilling their natural potential, is because many don't understand the principles of training, and neither do the people who are coaching them.

According to Peter Coe, Seb ran a ten mile in training, in the late seventies, in 45 minutes.At that time he wasn't running more than 50 miles a week.Yet the 100-200 miles per week brigade couldn't run anywhere near as fast.

Yes Coe was exceptional, but so were many others who couldn't run as fast.Peter Coe understood the principles of exercise, and applied them to the training of his son, hence his success.

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10 miles in training? Who measured it? Evidence please.

Evidence that Coe ran 45 mins for 10 miles in training!

Maybe someone could ask him.

It is interesting that people talk about Coe as if he didn't do aerobic training and as if only doing 40 miles a week somehow proves this. I think he got fantastic speed from basic ability and very fast repetitions over less than 100 yards. He also had a good aerobic base that included cross country running and he also had massive competitive application.

In my opinion Coe is the greatest runner of all time.

If you think about it though, for a 800 metre runner to be doing 40 miles a week it means 80 times their racing distance.

Thank you, I found that one and several more

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Originally Posted by dominion

10 miles in training? Who measured it? Evidence please.

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The only evidence we've got is 'Running Free' and Seb's world records at that time.

We know that his father was analytical, and used to pace Seb's runs in his car.So it isn't inconceivable that he drove round the course to check.

We also know that Seb used extensive weight training to develop his power and muscular endurance.Additionally he weighed not much more than 8 stones.Based on all this I believe his father's claim.

He did run the Hillingdon 5 in the late 80s and clocked about 23.20, but he wasn't as fit as the period 1979-1982.

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Originally Posted by Chris

It is interesting that people talk about Coe as if he didn't do aerobic training and as if only doing 40 miles a week somehow proves this. I think he got fantastic speed from basic ability and very fast repetitions over less than 100 yards. He also had a good aerobic base that included cross country running and he also had massive competitive application.

In my opinion Coe is the greatest runner of all time.

If you think about it though, for a 800 metre runner to be doing 40 miles a week it means 80 times their racing distance.

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Strictly speaking there is no such thing as anaerobic training.All training is aerobic.Anaerobic means 'without oxygen' and we never train without oxygen.There is always some oxygen present during exercise.

The point I'm making is coe was trained to run 'fast'.When an athlete runs fast he cannot run for long.By reducing the volume of training and increasing the intensity,he not only improved his short distance speed, he also increased his long distance speed as well.

In other words you don't have to run 26miles 385 yards in training, before running a fast marathon(race).

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Originally Posted by aussie sal

Thank you for the great pictures of world cross country. My grand-daughter ran in the senior women's race so we were desperately looking for some photos. Incidently we live in Sydney,Australia. Melinda, who is profoundly deaf was placed 41st . Arrangements were made for her to be put in a position where she could see the starter but unfortunately a photographer stood between her and the starter and she was left standing there. She is going to France tomorrow to compete in the University cross country so we are hoping that she will have better luck this time with the start.Thank you again, we are very grateful.
Regards

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Sorry these are a bit fuzzy.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...AC/vernon2.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...FAC/vernon.jpg

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Originally Posted by christopher leigh

The only evidence we've got is 'Running Free' and Seb's world records at that time.

We know that his father was analytical, and used to pace Seb's runs in his car.So it isn't inconceivable that he drove round the course to check.

We also know that Seb used extensive weight training to develop his power and muscular endurance.Additionally he weighed not much more than 8 stones.Based on all this I believe his father's claim.

He did run the Hillingdon 5 in the late 80s and clocked about 23.20, but he wasn't as fit as the period 1979-1982.

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The world record for 10 miles is 44:24 by Haile G. He is generally considered to be "quite good". So I simply don't beleive that Seb Coe could run 45mins for 10 miles "in training" 20 years before whilst, at the same time, being one of the worlds best 800 and 1500m runners. It just isn't possible. Perhaps 47mins but a time equivalent (or poss better) than the world record at the time. Nope.

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Originally Posted by Track Fairy

The world record for 10 miles is 44:24 by Haile G. He is generally considered to be "quite good". So I simply don't beleive that Seb Coe could run 45mins for 10 miles "in training" 20 years before whilst, at the same time, being one of the worlds best 800 and 1500m runners. It just isn't possible. Perhaps 47mins but a time equivalent (or poss better) than the world record at the time. Nope.

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Haille couldn't run 45minutes without his potions, but Seb could.Gabrisallasse just doesn't have the speed and power of a Seb Coe.

Track fairy you're younger than me, so you won't remember Coe and Ovett's performances at that time.I do, and I can tell you now, that the athletes of the past 20 years(barring Aouita), just don't come close.Forget the time differences, because we know why that is.

I ran a hill race at Frodsham when I was a youth, and the course record was about 16 years old and still held by Coe(around 19 minutes).

If Paula Radcliffe at a body weight of 8 stones can run 50-51 minutes for 10 miles, why is it inconceivable that Coe(also around 8 stone)cannot run 5-6minutes faster?

Two of my former club mates, ran around 47 minutes for 10miles.Both were heavier than Coe and just didn't possess his power to weight ratio.In fact I was discussing it with one of them(a world class athlete)and he believed it was possible for Coe to run that fast.