Sounds like some Sound Mountain Judgement was used and some was learnt. I'm sure some was ignored as well!
The roads south of York weren't quite as wet and wild (but windy enough).
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Sounds like some Sound Mountain Judgement was used and some was learnt. I'm sure some was ignored as well!
The roads south of York weren't quite as wet and wild (but windy enough).
IanDP has put a screenshot on facebook of the Strava sections from Bleaklow to Higher Shelf... looks like a 2 year old has grabbed a load of crayons and randomly scribbled over a map of the Peak District.
I'm not on Strava, but i certainly recognise one or two of the unorthodox routes taken, and am maintaining an embarrassed silence.
Actually got that bit spot on, mine will be one of the perfect straight lines;). Unlike about four years ago where I visited Bleaklow summit twice :o.
Actually I meant to put a comment on here about an incident on the race.
I was coming up to the checkpoint in Crowden and the guy in the tent shouted out to me for my number. He had to do it 3 or 4 times as I was not answering. He was getting a bit pissed off with me. When I got up close I then showed him my number.
I know the rules unlike him as they should be reading our numbers and not relying on hearing them.
"Actually got that bit spot on, mine will be one of the perfect straight lines. Unlike about four years ago where I visited Bleaklow summit twice ."
Dr Patrick i was most amused to see your line on facebook yesterday from the other year! It was quite something to behold!
We have another Strava gem from a few years ago, when on a Thursday evening training run Pennine's finest (including, not naming any names off the forum but think of cricketers) left Kinder Low End trig point to head back to Hayfield, only for a few minutes later arrived at......Quote:
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The suspense is killing me ?! Edale Valley?
It does look difficult to end up anywhere but Hayfield from Kinder Low End...
Kinder Low End.Quote:
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:-)) ah i understand now!
The reality was that nobody except me knew that there were actually two trig points at Kinder Low. Anyway, it was dark and misty, and we followed some useful footprints in the snow. Just like Pooh Bear...
Mick Cocharan V70 is bloody quick much faster than his age would suggest. he's very strong on the long stuff.
Pat I suspect the person shouting was after seeing your number, at the briefing all marshals were told they must see your number, probably thought you were going to dash passed with out showing it. if theres a few runners nearby it helps for an earlier view.
Should show you the flyby picture..
https://www.facebook.com/plugins/pos...85610734888522
Trigger has got the go ahead for Sunday August 1st 2021. Brent has opened up entries again for this week as the numbers of pre-entries who have now confirmed is low. https://www.sientries.co.uk/event.ph...&event_id=7645
All money goes to Woodhead Mountain Rescue. Thanks Nicky
..and so it returns..entries filling up fast. This is not your average race, a long distance navigationally challenging fell race in mid winter. a very strict kit check and every runner vetted on entry.
It here so good luck.
http://www.marsdentoedale.co.uk/details.htm
Marsden to Edale - Trigger Race
2022 Race Information
Entry
The race can only be entered by following the SI Entries link at the bottom of this section. Please read the following before entering:
1) We will check Previous Experience when you enter and you will initially be placed on a Pre-Selection list. We will aim to send out an email confirming your acceptance. 2) The race is £20 to enter FRA Members and £24 Non FRA members
To enter please use www.sientries.co.uk
Kit to be worn or carried:
Full waterproof jacket and bottoms (with taped seams), shoes suitable for fell running, long sleeved top, head torch, emergency bag, hat and gloves, map (the Dark Peak map which just excludes Marsden is acceptable) compass, whistle and some emergency food is the minimum kit.
There will be a full kit check before Registration giving everybody the chance to make sure they have the required kit. There will be spot checks on route and at the finish. The FRA have made it clear that not carrying the required kit will result in a ban from all fell races and we will uphold that policy.
Registration
In Marsden Cricket Club (SE 044 106 - just below the Golf Course) from 7am to 9.15am. Sportident dibber and Race number will be provided on the day. Do not park cars in the car park as this will be closed from midday. Toilets will hopefully be provided in the club house. It will be possible to transfer 25KG ONLY bags of kit to Edale - a van will be located before the Start lanes at Marsden Cricket ground.
This is a fantastic race. Easily equivalent to a Wasdale/Ennerdale/Buttermere (if not worse) in terms of difficulty, due to the navigational aspect and the time of year. Only need to read back a handful of pages on here to get a taste of what it can be like.
I'm in :eek:
Good luck Llani.... it clashes with XC for me, and as i mentioned elsewhere, i'm done with trying to double up and run well on consecutive days!
I was sad to read the news that IanDarkpeak isn't running any more because of injuries. My sympathy to you Ian.
That news adds to the challenge of the race though. :p My Bleaklow crossing in the snow was quicker by (ahem) "chasing" IDP from Lawrence Edge to Bleaklow Head. Using Ian's line we popped into Wildboar Clough at the same time as my mates who had been somewhat in front of me when we crossed the reservoir.
Mates and Ian drifted off in front as I faded over Kinder...
Happy days.
First time i did the Trigger i went past Ian near to Kinder Downfall.
Never saw him again until i got to the finish and he was already there.
I was gobsmacked, considering i'd taken what i assumed to be a quick and direct route down off Kinder Low.
He does know his way around the peak doesn't he.
Indeed that year I mentioned, shortly after climing Lawrence Edge, I saw Ian heading off on a line over Bleaklow all by himself and thought 'why not, lets see where Ian is going'. He threaded us along a really 'efficient' runnable line through a couple of groughs to join into Wildboar Clough near the top. I did compliment and thank Ian at the time - hope he heard me through the weather and my panting.
I do know my way around Bleaklow well, so I knew I wouldn't be lost if I lost track of my "guide" i.e. I wasn't just chasing after someone into unknown territory. I did know that every other time I had tried taking the line Ian was headed towards, rather than following the main trod around the edge it had taken me much longer though. It was a gamble and happily my bet on Ian paid off.
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LOL..thanks guys, when you spend most of your working life up there and many reccies with Nicky you get to know every twist and turn/ when it was Tankys I only ever had one bearing, if I needed the compass it was the same bearing..thick clag and snow,,,never needed the map I knew every inch of the route, it certainly helps having LK..Quote:
Originally Posted by PiesAreGood
I find myself walking some of the routes now but what I wouldn't give for one last blast on a claggy race. :D
I'll be on route on the day, last time I was on top of bleaklow shouting get your compasses out....so many swirly routes on Strava
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Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
I did Tanky's in 2009. The last year. Memorable!
I see a Mr Winterburn finished 6th out of 171 and everbody at the front end ran for Pennine/ Glossopdale or Dark Peak with only one from Ilkley Harriers. (But he was at the back end :))
There is an article in the September 2021 Derbyshire Life magazine about Tankys Trog which might be of interest to some.
Unfortunately I have no idea how to put it on here!
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Originally Posted by Llani Boy
September 2021 Derbyshire Life
Which page?
Sometimes you can sample some pages off the download copy.
I don't know Graham as I don't take Derbyshire Life!
I had "googled" Tankys Trog and the first thing that came up was www.greatbritishlife and when I clicked on it the article appeared.
Just like magic!
So it does. Isn't the internet wonderful!Quote:
Originally Posted by Llani Boy
Although the image I was reforming of you as an exhalted member of the aristocracy and a stalwart of Derbyshire landed gentry is now dashed.:(
My top tips for Trigger are:
Don't get too caught up on needing to know 'the lines'. A solid bearing and liking of the heavy stuff should suffice.
It's a long way back from Snake Summit and there's a lot of running so save some energy.
Trying to lose your competitors by dragging them through as many groughs and snow drifts as possible is a solid tactic.
(Nic, 3 races, 3 wins)
[QUOTE=ba-ba;676649]My top tips for Trigger are:
Don't get too caught up on needing to know 'the lines'. A solid bearing and liking of the heavy stuff should suffice.
It's a long way back from Snake Summit and there's a lot of running so save some energy.
Trying to lose your competitors by dragging them through as many groughs and snow drifts as possible is a solid tactic.
(Nic, 3 races, 3 wins)[/Q]
The only way I used to stay near the front was by knowing all the lines..
Its easy for some one of your speed and quality to just cruise round ;)
saving something is definitely important.
dragging fellow competitors through bogs and deep heather....that goes with out saying.
Hope you're well Nic
Tankys that was a cracking race. I had 7th,6th,5th on consecutive years if only it had kept going there was a first in the offing :D I beat some top runners on that race.Quote:
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not the usual Tanky lines and his track is way off and doesn't even match his description.. :D only joking, it a longer but nice if a little too much paved running.
knowing the lines on this race was definitely a must.
Excellent race today
Very well organised
The new route up to Sandy Heys trig and the River Kinder does seem a more natural route.
Shame about the out of bounds area of Higher Shelf Stones but not a major issue.
The climb up Kinder was fun with all that snow. Big kudos to the mountain Rescue team there all those hours.
Peat and cold puddles everywhere but weather perhaps not as bad as it might have been?
Good to cheer on The Spine runners coming the other way!
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Shame about the out of bounds area of Higher Shelf Stones but not a major issue.
I am told that the winner ignored the out of bounds area from Higher Shelf Stones and took the direct route to the Snake Summit.
Perhaps there will be a Stewards Enquiry.
If true that's naughty and should be a definite DSQ and a slap on the wrist - ignoring rules and putting the future of the race (and races in the area) at risk. Ignorance is not an excuse - Nicky and team are always very clear on OOBs/routes to be used specifically because this area of the peak is so febrile with regards to permissions.
Not seen any results yet, heard a few stories from friends though! Shame Tom Saville couldn't make the threepeat (though slightly relieved as my record stands intact). Looking forward to getting back on the Trigger next year!
I elected to give it a miss this year, as had XC on the saturday. Alas the XC was cancelled, and i woke up on sunday morning wishing i was out there...
I like the previous route round the edge of Kinder, but must say the new route across did look interesting.
The route across direct to Sandy Heys, then direct to Edale, was the original trigger route (no restrictions in route betwwn Marsden - Black Hill - High Shelf - Sandy Heys - Edale) route. I've never run it in that configuration though.
The edge makes it a bit of a different race, you can move quickly over it if you've paced well, and there's much less chance of getting lost. Of course in 2017 it was ankle deep slush and icy drifts every 50m and was purgatory.
Yes, 2017 was my slowest time by a long way. I vaguely recall the snow and general conditions on Bleaklow being really tough.
The winner has just put his route on Strava.
He was in second place at Higher Shelf Stones but in first place by Snake Summit.
His route clearly goes through the out of bounds area to the south of Higher Shelf Stones.
An obvious advantage gained.
The results are now on the FRA website...
https://races.fellrunner.org.uk/resu...5-f79242261020
So, uh… having not raced for quite a while and not being up tondate with all the ins and outs of rules… if there are other runners who also took the line from higher shelf through the out of bounds area, what happens?
Do they get disqualified? A telling off? Some other sanction?
Or is it merely that they took an unauthorised line and that’s the end of it as far as the race or the fra is concerned?
If so, that is pretty rubbish.
Im not all that bothered about places gained or lost, but am much more concerned about the potential permission issues that this kind of behaviour might raise.
Any thoughts on this?
I think Nicky and the officials at the Trigger race have been pretty hot in the past on dq'ing those who have broken the rules by using the road in Edale valley.
Ive found his strava, Ive not checked the exact out of bounds but i know it was to avoid erosion on the descent to the waterfall and along the fence path which he has avoided. He may have drifted south but the ground down there is rough and he climbed north from the dike to get back on track..thats definitely rough with extra climbing, I'll send it on to RO but knowing the ground I see no advantage. has any one checked strava of second place runner? not my decision, way above my pay grade..
So are we saying that if a runner gains no advantage from going through explicitly out of bounds areas then it's fine?
That seems remarkably inconsistent.
The perils of sharing Strava routes.