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According to the ONS the UK has a large trading surplus over the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellbeast
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...United_Kingdom
And as I said it has an overall surplus with non-EU countries and a large deficit with the EU.
One of many bonkers David Davies quotes, this one from January 2017:Quote:
Originally Posted by Muddy Retriever
“We can't actually sign until the day we leave. But I've got a very strong suspicion there will be a lot of things to sign that very next day.”
🙄🙄
The problem with deals signed via the EU is that they are for the group, not for us specifically. So we get things we don't want and don't get things we want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellbeast
The potential for UK and Japan to work together on Finance is huge.
The EU have just said:
"Should the UK authorities breach – or threaten to breach – the Withdrawal Agreement, through the United Kingdom Internal Market Bill in its current form or in any other way, the European Parliament will, under no circumstances, ratify any agreement between the EU and the UK."
Our trade with the EU is currently worth something like £660 billion; Japan is on the other hand something like £30 billion 🙄
So what. See you EU, you're toast!
Llani for PM and chief negotiator.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llani Boy
Bye bye brexit, bye bye eu.
Barnier and his cronies are living in the past. They have no power over us beyond what we as a stand alone nation allow.
The Polish community cannot live without their crazy snacks and spicy sausage, Spanish restaurants always want Scottish langoustine it's the finest there is, Staropramen will not refuse a licence to brew their awesome beer very badly in Nottingham. Life and trade will go on.
Just listened to last night of the proms on radio while sitting outside around the fire pit.
PROUD TO BE BRITISH.
Barnier is seeing the plan unravel.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr brightside
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-jHP4kcRG0
Well said Mr BQuote:
Originally Posted by mr brightside
Haha you’re just not getting it. Brexit is happening. It’s a trade deal with the EU, potential for a big reboot of conflict in NI and the break up of the U.K. that’s being f**ked over by Boris
Yep most get it.
There are some we can't accept the majority of Britain's decision.
The common market was trading.
EU and brussels became too influential on British law and policy's.
People were given the chance to decide and the the majority said bye bye eu.
Anybody remember this, the Government’s Brexit Contract with the British People:
https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.ne...pdf?1490680551
Hasn’t turned out to be much of a contract then 🙄
Yep. Work in progress.
Nope - don't remember that piece of Remainer propaganda. But it's nice to see archived comedy you've missed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellbeast
Say what you like about Miliband, but he's just absolutely shredded Johnson in the Commons debate over the Internal Market Bill....
Boris looked lost :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave_Mole
When does he not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellbeast
He's not the best,
He's just better than the rest.
Like I said. Say what you like about Miliband....Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
Narr, next you'll be claiming blair was okQuote:
Originally Posted by Dave_Mole
it's hard to chose a "best bit" of such a withering and comprehensive destruction of the PM's case, but I liked this bit:
"....he claimed on Wednesday it was necessary to Protect the good Friday agreement.
I have to say I would rather trust the authors of the good Friday agreement than a Prime Minister who has prominent members of the government who opposed the agreement.
This is what John Major and Tony Blair wrote “[the bill] puts the good Friday agreement at risk because it negates the predictability, the political stability, and legal clarity that are integral to the delicate balance between the north and south of Ireland that is at the core of the peace process”.
He may not want to believe them but maybe he will believe himself.
Because this is what he said about the NI Protocol: “there are particular circumstances in Northern Ireland at the border that deserve particular respect and sensitivity, and that is what they have received in the deal.
This is… a great deal for Northern Ireland”.
This is not just legislative hooliganism, it is hooliganism on the most sensitive of issues".
He might have added that Blair is also an expert in breaking international law. His illegal war went on to cause the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. So absolutely the right person to lecture the Government on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave_Mole
Tony Blair, John Major, yesterdays men.
I'd rather listen to Wet,Wet,Wet songs all day than listen to them!
13/9
Barnier
Protocol on IE/NI is not a threat to the integrity of the UK. We agreed this delicate compromise with
@BorisJohnson
& his gov in order to protect peace & stability on island of Ireland. We could not have been clearer about the consequences of #Brexit
Sticking to facts is also essential. A case in point: Flag of European Union is not refusing to list Flag of United Kingdom as a third country for food imports (SPS). To be listed, we need to know in full what a country’s rules are, incl. for imports. The same objective process applies to all listed countries
Frost (in response)
I would like to make a few comments and state a few facts, in my capacity as the PM's negotiator in the current and last autumn's talks.
On the Protocol, we indeed negotiated a careful balance in order to preserve peace and the Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement.
It is precisely to ensure this balance can be preserved in all circumstances that the Govt needs powers in reserve to avoid it being disrupted.
On 3rd country listings: the EU knows perfectly well all the details of our food standards rules because we are operating EU rules. The situation on 1.1.21 is accordingly perfectly clear. We have discussed this frequently with the EU including last week.
Any changes in future would be notified to the WTO and EU in the usual way with plenty of lead time. The EU lists dozens of countries globally on precisely this basis, without any sort of commitment about the future.
Yet it has been made clear to us in the current talks that there is no guarantee of listing us. I am afraid it has also been said to us explicitly in these talks that if we are not listed we will not be able to move food to Northern Ireland.
The EU's position is that listing is needed for Great Britain only, not Northern Ireland. So if GB were not listed, it would be automatically illegal for NI to import food products from GB.
I hope the EU will yet think better of this. It obviously makes it no easier to negotiate a good free trade agreement and the solid future relationship which we all want.
Neither of them said
"This is… a great deal for Northern Ireland”.
Witton you can support your now international criminals as much as you like but, in the end, they signed the Withdrawal Agreement, a binding international treaty, with the EU, which they purposely rushed through to avoid scrutiny and "get (f**king) Brexit done" and won an election on the back of.
Now, having finally bothered to read their own (f**king) Withdrawal Agreement (which if you remember they rushed through and fought an election on) are now proving themselves to be shysters of the lowest order and are reneging on their own (f**king :) ) Withdrawal Agreement.
I suspect Japan, having just signed an trade agreement with us, might be just a little worried about our ability to keep to our word...
This a great article and well worth a read (and is very balanced too :) ).
https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...mbling/616343/
criminals in the court of Fellbeast who is both judge and jury :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Fellbeast
The treaty binds both sides by the way, but such agreements only bind them until one party departs from the terms as set out in the agreement.
At the moment the UK Government hasn't broken anything, they have paved the way for it if required.
Yeah you may be right. I guess the crime has to be committed first but it’s still stated intent and willingness to commit a crime isn’t it, being used as (another) gun to our own head negotiating ploy. If I said to Boris that I “intend” to throw eggs at him tomorrow in parliament, I suspect the police would try and stop me doing it ��Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
You'd get away with it if you relied on the Johnson-Cummings defence - i.e it has to be 'specific' (only the throwing of eggs) and 'limited' (only throwing at Boris) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Fellbeast
Similar to the EU not agreeing where their parliament should be, perhaps the border should be between Ireland and England in even years and between Ireland and the EU in odd years.
Institute for Government says bill breaks the law and it's even mentioned in the Bill itself.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...ernational-law
Just as worrying as intentionally breaking International Law because you failed to see the implications of your "oven ready" deal, is the removal of judicial oversight from ministerial decisions. Which means that such decisions could never be judged illegal, even if they broke domestic law.
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Originally Posted by Dave_Mole
More widely, this inept shenanigans also plays right into the hands of the SNP and their like, providing further ammo to those who want to see a break up of the Union. Come to think of it, wasn't the Act of Union 1707 just another international treaty? So what if they promised not to have another INDY ref within a generation. They might have done a Boris and played that well tried diplomatic get-out-of-a-promise tactic of having had their fingers crossed behind their backs. Doh!
The Herald are already, ahem, heralding it as "a "Trojan horse" to destroy devolution":
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...controversial/