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A very enjoyable ride to town and back, I do a loop with lots of little hills. 3 police cars passed me heading up the valley so they have probably found the beginning of the weekend rave that was planned.
Way I feel about some people at the moment I would be inclined to let them start and then burn every vehicle and ⛺ on the place.
Gentler 7 1/4 miles, 2:15, 1000ft today with MrsWP.
8k hilly biking
Just started to warm up and it was over 😀
9.88 miles, 2.22, 2750 ft over Loughrigg. Slight tan demarcations from my vest, so getting some Vitamin D.
Dr Hutch in today's Cycling Weekly has a droll column pointing out that the "two metre rule" now makes wheel-sucking a criminal offense and perpetrators could be arrested - although I rather doubt if I will often be in a position to take advantage of the legislation. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by molehill
Cyclists need to stay 10 to 20 metres behind the cyclist in front of them to reduce the risk of spread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham Breeze
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life...+Article+Links
If you're choosing to maintain your baseline fell fitness level in Wharfedale, beware, the coppers are running plates and flyering your car. Two weeks ago i got flyered in a layby near Skyreholme. My excuse is, that being a key worker, i need to keep away from other people, and that a run from my gaff will see me mingling with the so-called 'Otleyterati' on the Chevin which is bad for social distancing.
I'm going to give the Washburn Valley a try this weekend, but it's very hard to accumulate more than about 1000' of climb over 8-9m and single efforts rarely touch 400'. I think it's yet to be ascertained whether or not the force will be flexible and exercise leniency on an individual basis where practicable and where a case can be made.
I am one of the Otleyterati, and the Chevin is pretty quiet. Was up there yesterday morning and didn't see many people and could keep a good distance. Be aware that the farmers in the Washburn Valley are getting fairly hostile to folk out and about enjoying themselves. Paths around Lindley reservoir and above are blocked, also a lot of hostility in Clifton.
Todays PDE was a very enjoyable afternoon 40 miles and 2,300 feet ride with my son on the Tissington and High Peak Trails. I saw about a dozen people in just over 3 hrs.
Something of note was that one of the people I saw I thought I recognised so this evening I checked my Flybys on Strava but it was not who I thought it was. However, a number of the Flybys had written across their profile picture "Stay at Home" etc one of which had done a 50 mile ride. Virtue signalling or what!
I've started calling it 'Social Distancing Fascism'. I actually challenge it very aggressively, i'm incredibly verbally abusive in the face of it, and i'm not proud of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattPo
The governments fear campaign is it blame, they knew what they were doing, spread enough fear so it self-polices to save on actual police resources. A working frontline nurse staying over at a B&B somewhere got all her tyres slashed recently; this may get as bad as the paedophile hunting carry-on. Righteous acts of vengence have no limits.
Sounds about right...
A bit like the Cumbria/Welsh natives who have been busy on Facebook telling everyone else to stay off the Fells, to reduce the risk of mountain rescue callouts... Then going up there themselves... (which of course they are quite within their rights to do so... But probably shouldn't be telling everyone else how to exercise!)
Replying to Llani btw
I think this :- https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/1...covid-19-rate/Quote:
Originally Posted by Travs
And this :-
https://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/18365...th-toll-rises/
explains why visitors are not particulary welcome in Cumbria at the moment
Being hit hard in this neck of the woods, Mrs DTR and I know 3 people who’ve succumbed to this, it’s not good, not the greatest hospital coverage either too many folk and not enough hospital beds 😐Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnK
There is a national Covid-19 tracker in the Telegraph, that I tend to look at. The number of cases in Cumbria seems to be extraordinarily high.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnK
It's simple - rural communities lack the health infrastructure to cope with the current situation. They also have a higher vulnerable demographic. Stay at home, people.
By and large rural counties have a lower proportion of their populations with confirmed cases than urban areas. Cumbria for some reason appears to be the main exception to this rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteS
what isn't clear is where the cases are coming from. Cumbria has a few urban centres dotted around the outside of the Lakeland area.
I'm not suggesting for a minute we should all set off to Cumbria this morning...
But the notion that people are travelling half the country to go and walk in Langdale is absolute rubbish... It's far more likely that people out and about in Cumbria are from other parts of Cumbria.
My main point was "locals" main argument for everyone staying off the Fells is to ease pressure on mountain rescue... But they clearly don't think that argument applies to them.
(not saying I disagree with them going on the Fells, but it's all a bit hypocritical!)
Cumbria Police have stopped and are actively stopping numerous vehicles heading into the Lakes and turning them around, it appears that a lot of these people are travelling long distances to come here when they shouldn’t be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Travs
Well said PeteSQuote:
Originally Posted by PeteS
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Originally Posted by Daletownrunner
No doubt there are idiots about... But not seen anything published about exactly where they are originating from. Without casting aspersions, I'd estimate a lot more coming from the fringes of Cumbria itself than travelling half the country.
To change to a slightly more optimistic note... I'm in contact with the owners of my regular b&b in Keswick, and they are still planning for people staying with them through the summer... More specifically they are still expecting my arrival for Ennerdale weekend in June...
Can't help thinking that is a bit too optimistic, but let's all hope!
Quite a lot of info on Cumbria Police Twitter page regarding who they’ve stopped, yep fingers crossed Travs that you’ll be heading here in June, the sooner this is over the better...Quote:
Originally Posted by Travs
That is a convenient myth.Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteS
The infrastructure of the national parks copes with five times the population than it presently has,because of transients, and it has very low population per unit area even then. So average social distancing is clearly increased by less in cities and more in lakes. It is utterly ridiculous and an unwarranted infringement of civil liberties that those with second homes for example are barred from using them.
There is no evidence I am aware that the population is older than many of the dormitory suburbs of cities. Around where I live the average age must be seventy.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...astbourne-buryQuote:
Originally Posted by Oracle
So South Lakeland has a pretty high median age - 67.9 - vs 40 for the rest of the country.
As to going to second homes - most experts disagree with you. You would be mixing with different people, so risking spreading and getting infection, and when you return "home" you will take anything you pick up with you.
And runners too should be keeping a greater distance according to that study.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike T
In East Devon median age is 69.1. Devon has one of the lowest incidence of confirmed cases in the country.
I think Oracle is right to say that the ability to social distance is greater in the countryside than cities. What’s not clear is why Cumbria’s infection rate is so comparatively high. As WP said, we would need to know which part of Cumbria has the greatest cases I.e. is it the urban areas?
I noticed that Sheffield, a city roughly the same size of Leeds and only 30 odd miles away has more than three times the number of confirmed cases per million.
Of course all confirmed cases will be a small fraction of total cases anyway so maybe comparisons are not that useful.
Families are a reason its spreading in certain areas. Larger families and more mix,
Or
Less social distancing.
The infrastructure for leisure is geared towards large numbers of visitors but the healthcare and council run services are geared towards the permanent population. So the infringement of civil liberties is just faux ire on your behalf and not in keeping with what the actual situation is for people who live here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oracle
I live in Cumbria and am in touching distance of the NP but like everyone else not living actually in a town or village next to the mountains it’s a long distance love affair at the moment as it’s more than a 5 minute drive away.
You sound Oracle like part of the problem, people who think they can do what suits them because they whine ‘it’s my right’ are the issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oracle
I prefer scientific reality to the protests of nimby whingers.
I obey the law , but spare me the sophistry of locals making up false reasoning.
But I do have a memory. The hills belong to us all , but I shall make sure on my return to them that not a penny of mine goes into the tills of communities that have insulted their future customers.
Nor do I support the police making up laws that do not exist. Do you? Just because police say it, does not make it law: there have been dozens of examples of police “ wasting police time”
Tell me : how is someone in a car in an open place compromising social distance?
They’re not, but what do you not understand about stay at home???? it’s not hard, as for you not gracing the Lake District tills with your endless supply of cash post Covid crisis I’m sure that most people couldn’t give a toss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oracle
The idea is that those returning to second homes would do less mixing because of greater social distance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike T
As for experts disagreeing, if there is a feature of this it is that experts all disagree with each other , indeed as the editor of lancet proves, he disagrees with himself. You cannot reconcile the imperial and oxford models: how is it all seem to want the right to then say the government has it wrong, when they can’t agree amongst themselves?
With that as background, I have no issue with the disagreements. This is new world experience.but Clearly social distance matters, so going to second homes ( for long stay, not commuting) is just as valid as any argument against.
But the resources of the lakes are under-utilised, it must be quieter than even in winter low occupancy.
At least one esteemed member here is a week city commmuter, and has residences both ends. So which end do you advise him to stay? The country or the city?
You did read where I said I obey the law? My problem is policemen making it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daletownrunner
All are in a difficult position, but the communities that are defacing second homes of those equally entitled to be there,( yes it is happening particularly in Scotland, places are even being torched) in my view deserve to be shunned when this is over: it is they to whom I refer as insulting others.
The city permanentlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Oracle
So you prefer he/she is at greater risk! It will be interesting If he/she decides to own up, since they are presently in the country. With city prices it is hard to afford more than a bed in a box, for most who live there, which is existing not living during the week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daletownrunner
I would prefer that he/ she stuck to the rules like the majority of other people, whether they’re in the country or in the city doesn’t matter as long as they don’t think that because they have two homes that it’s ok to do what they want and flit between the two. In the grand scheme of things I would prefer that they didn’t have a second home anywhere thereby pushing up prices in whatever area they choose to play and preventing local young people from being able to buy property in their local area but that’s another argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oracle
"Like"Quote:
Originally Posted by Daletownrunner
Whilst I probably wouldn't make the point as vociferously as our good friend Oracle... He does have a point about the hostility of some of the rural communities towards outsiders...
Whilst I completely understand the concerns of the people of Cumbria, Snowdonia, etc... vandalism and threats are not the way to go about getting the message across.... Nethier is graffiti instructing people to "f**k off home, we're closed".
People will remember. Fortunately most of us will realise that every community has their morons... But some (Oracle for example) may well take it to heart... And the likes of Cumbria and Snowdonia will soon want everybody back again if their economies are on their arse due to a potential lost summer of tourism.
I have not heard of evidence of flitting, nor have I defended it, So that is a straw man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daletownrunner
Much of the working population of London commutes from significant distance, or they get a small weekly bed sit.
They keep their sanity by going home at weekends. It is easy to judge others on a life you don’t know.
Many ( sensibly) wanted to live out the crisis in the country where they have legitimate reason to be, and are being turned away,or facing open hostility, and in some cases worse. It is wrong,
I don’t have a uk second home, and I can’t speak for the rights and wrongs of that, I do get The argument, and byelaws can help address it,
However I do think those who do own them, have just as much right to live in them as the resident next door.
I should have said travs, I referred primarily to the open hostility in Scotland, which in places has morphed into vigilante action : it is serious and I think in part fuelled by unhelpful statements of sturgeon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Travs