I guess you'll all be out on the route now!! Good luck tho' people!! Have fun....
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I guess you'll all be out on the route now!! Good luck tho' people!! Have fun....
If the conditions are half as bad as they are here in York, the dropout rate is going to be pretty high.
Still wish I was there though :)
I'm sat in an office near Dumfries and if its raining down there like it is here I'm glad I couldn't enter again!! :o
Just run 8.5 miles near Harrogate and came back looking like I'd been in a river, lord knows what they're going through up Helvellyn:w00t:
'Suppose you're all in the pub now! :thumbup:
Results are up
http://results.sportident.co.uk/home...f-afa5c576b958
209 entered, 148 started, 128 finished
We should boycott SportSunday Event Photography Ltd and we should not encourage them to attend fell races because they want to prevent amateur photographers from taking and posting photos on flickr and the FRA Forum.
This is what happened today at the Tour de Helvellyn - have a read
http://www.blipfoto.com/entry/2572280
Bit off hand. Anyone is free to head to the hills and take photos, it's a public area so nobody can stop it. I understand they want to make a living, but that hasn't got anything to do with an amateur wanting to take his or her own pictures. It's nowt to do with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by IWCharters
Any pro photographer worth their salt shouldn't be bothered by what other photographers are doing.
Of course that is if they are confident in the knowledge that they'll be getting the good shots.
I quite enjoy taking pictures at an event where there are lots of other photographers.
A pro photographer will always sell their work if it is good.
I've not bothered to waste my time clicking on the MWIS link to see what it might say. However, it was so "grim" that I ran as far as Grisedale Tarn in shorts. I put my leggins on there, but I could have taken them off again in Patterdale if I could have been bothered to stop.Quote:
The weather forecast is still pretty grim:
http://www.mwis.org.uk/ld.php?fdate=121222
I especially like the bit saying "Walking or any mobility very difficult from fairly low levels upwards in morning"
I didn't notice any ferocious gusts and the wind speed possibly maxed out at 30 ish mph? "Mobility very difficult from fairly low levels"? Nope. OK, I was shuffling a bit after 28 miles.
It was wet though, I'll have to admit that.
So, glad I didn't die today, as the above wouldn't have made such a catchy epitaph...
But it was a great day out in the hills. And Joe's special Carrot soup at the end was fantastic.
Yes, it was a lot nicer than the forecast, thankfully!
That stinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by IWCharters
I've bought photos from them before but this puts me right off.
Love your photography Ian, whether its races or the everyday life stuff on your blog. Dont be put off.
I agree sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Master
MWIS do have a tendency to overdo the wind speeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkL
But don't forget the predictions are for the summits. The felltop assessor on Helvellyn today measured an average 24.1mph gusting to 47.7 with a temperature of 1.8C. This was at 12.25. MWIS predicted 40-50 gusting 80 in the morning, but moderating to 30-40 in the afternoon, with temperature 1 rising to 3.
So about 10mph out on wind speed, and spot on for temperature.
Stu Stoddart is a top bloke, and, whilst injured, stays close to his sport by venturing out onto the fellsQuote:
Originally Posted by IWCharters
to offer support and encouragement to runners in all weathers. He also takes the occasional set of photo's.
I like the bods at SportSunday, I cannot for the life of me understand why they have committed such a MASSIVE own goal
as this.
I find that MWIS is accurate but is overly pessimistic which is no bad thing for hill goers.. a sort of how bad it could actually be forecast.. I tend to use metoffice and mwis and then xc weather and with them 3 tend to get a fairly accurate picture..Quote:
Originally Posted by Toreador
Very strange by the photographers....
Thanks to Joe and everyone else who helped make yesterday's TdH happen.
Tour de Helvellyn...by stustod
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8220/8...61e415ee_c.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stustod/
Gneiss Gnashers at Tour de Helvellyn...by stustod
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8213/8...42af4309_z.jpg
_DSC8674 by stustod, on Flickr
Wharfee :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
Tour de Helvellyn Photos back on Flickr
Like I said in my original post - photos are poor due to my inability to handle low light and piss wet weather. I missed a few runners wiping my lens every few mins. Well done all.
Sorry for causing any hassle - not my intention- I just enjoy the hills and watching a great sport.
As always all my photos are Free to anybody who cares for them.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stustod/sets
I don't think you've caused anyone any hassle, and Ian deserves a bit of credit for bringing this to people's attention.
Bollox "sorry" Stu. You are learning your trade lad and there's no need to be sorry for showing your pics that you made a big effort to take. Just give me a shout if you get stuck on owt. I don't pretend to know much about the photography game but I've made all the mistakes that you mention and you can improve tremendously with a few tips from us other snappers (not all of 'em like!;)).Quote:
Originally Posted by stustod
StuQuote:
Originally Posted by stustod
You've not caused any hassle at all. You've done absolutely nothing wrong. You have every right to take photos of an event such as this and share them on the internet.
It looked like a stinking day weather wise and it sounds like the Sport Sunday photographer just got a bit soggy and peed off. I hope that on reflection they'll regret sending you that email and I hope an apology will be forthcoming. They have a right to take photos and try and sell them, but those rights don't extend any further than anyone elses who chooses to share them for free.
One of the great thing in fell running over the past 10 years or so is that photos are now available whereas once they was hardly anyone taking them and there was no good way of sharing them. This is a good time to thank all those photographers that have shared all their photos over the years.
Keep up the good work
Harry
Well said 'arry lad! :D
I don't know who was out there for Sport Sunday, but their pics aren't much cop for someone trying to make a living out of photography. I'm sure they'll plead weather conditions blah, blah, blah....
I think its time to get back onto the running side of things and offer congrats to Kim C who won for a second year and in doing so broke the course record!!
I think the first lady was Tom Gibbs wife.
In reply to all the one sided comments on http://www.blipfoto.com/entry/2572280
We had contacted Nav4 and had their expressed invitation to attend and photograph this event.
When we saw that stustod had placed quite a number of pics on fliker we asked (not snottly) if he would take them down to give us a chance to earn our living to which he kindly agreed.
It appears that what has upset people mostly is that sustod received a "snotty" messagefrom us, I can assure you that Laura has never written a "snotty" message in her life.
The comments from IWC about the lazy photographer 10 meters from the road pretending to be a marshall in a high vis jacket I find particulary insulting. We not only covered Dunmail Rise but were also just before checkpoint 3 and the driving time meant that we may have only just arrived when IWC went past me but he would have pasted my wife half way up the fellside on the way upto Grisdale Tarn.
I was on the route that ran parallel with the road at a gate. I had been a quarter of a mile into the route but when it became apparent that runners (not all of them) were taking the more direct line but then having to retrace their steps (not all of them, some were crossing the beck) I decided to try and guide them to the safer route. Many thanked me for doing so.
I had been advised by my wife who was up the fellside that the beck was in flood and runners were having to retrace their steps so they could cross.
Sportsunday wear hi vis as a safety measure, we dont want anyone running into us because they could not see us. Not only do we not want to be hurt but we dont want anyone else hurt either. Sorry if this basic common sense safty measure offends.
As for pretending to be a marshall, give me a break. Too suggest I was trying to divert runners just so I could photograph them is comtemptable.
Our stance is that we do not own the fells and and anyone is entitled to go and do as the feel, all we would ask (and did) is the chance to do our job and earn our living. We were as I said asked to cover this by the RO.
In the past we have helped people in running events by calling them back when they have gone wrong and pointing them right when they are mistaken.
We have both been hurt by these comments by uninformed people.
You have absolutely no right to ask anyone to take their pics down...ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER!Quote:
Originally Posted by sportsunday
I've never heard a bigger bunch of excuses (with plenty of spelling mistakes to boot!).
'appy Christmas!
Clearly I misunderstood your intentions at Dunmail and for that I apologise. My confusion arose because there is no need to cross the beck at all and many took more direct lines avoiding the beck altogether so there was no reason for anyone to be trying to direct runners back down to the road.Quote:
I was on the route that ran parallel with the road at a gate. I had been a quarter of a mile into the route but when it became apparent that runners (not all of them) were taking the more direct line but then having to retrace their steps (not all of them, some were crossing the beck) I decided to try and guide them to the safer route. Many thanked me for doing so.
I had been advised by my wife who was up the fellside that the beck was in flood and runners were having to retrace their steps so they could cross.
Sportsunday wear hi vis as a safety measure, we dont want anyone running into us because they could not see us. Not only do we not want to be hurt but we dont want anyone else hurt either. Sorry if this basic common sense safty measure offends.
As for pretending to be a marshall, give me a break. Too suggest I was trying to divert runners just so I could photograph them is comtemptable.
Our stance is that we do not own the fells and and anyone is entitled to go and do as the feel, all we would ask (and did) is the chance to do our job and earn our living. We were as I said asked to cover this by the RO.
Being asked by a RO to cover a race does not give you exclusive rights to photograph it and neither does it give you the right to ask anyone to take down their pictures - I was wrong about your intentions at Dunmail and I apologise, you were wrong to ask Stu to take down his photos and .........
I think thats incredible that you bullied somebody into not doing what they liked with their own property. You have absolutely no right to do this. We all have to work for a living and would probably all have an easier time if others didn't try and do what we did better/more cheaply or yes just for fun. If your product is good enough people will pay for it. I for one though will now think twice before buying pictures from sportsunday again.Quote:
Originally Posted by sportsunday
The problem is you have asked someone to remove their pictures from the Web, when really you had no right to do so. You may find that rather than helping you, this poor publicity will only harm you in the future. I like many others will not be buying any pictures from you in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by sportsunday
Indeed, another great run for Mr Collison.Quote:
Originally Posted by stustod
And continuing on with the race................out of interest, who after the Swirls Car Park checkpoint ran the whole of the Forest Track to Birkside Gill and who took the Permissive Path (it vias off to the left from Forest Track after about a mile and returns you to the Forest Track with about a mile of the Forest Track to go)???
Merry Christmas one and all!
Interesting report from James Thurlow http://www.howfast.org/blog/2012/12/tour-de-helvellyn/Quote:
Originally Posted by stustod
Hopefully everyone took the permissive path, as the route description says "Then follow forest trails and the permissive path to Checkpoint 6 at Birkside Gill Footbridge (327 124) – unmanned, no drinks. You must stay on the way-marked route and not use the forest road."Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliblom
Anyway...
Another great event from Joe and his team... thanks to all involved. I had a good day until the last hour when I blew up big time. Much to my surprise it looked like I was going to make it round in comfortably under 8 hours, but after Howtown it all went a bit wrong. Scraped in in 7.59.29 feeling pretty rough. Nice soup at the end.
Thought the conditions were pretty tough and got very cold going round by Grisedale Tarn... think it was the cumulative effects of wind, rain and fatigue setting in and I was glad to drop back down towards Patterdale.
I went that way... but both this year and last I saw people who didn't as I emerged back on to the forrest track. I agree that people shouldn't do it as it's described clearly in the route description, but I think a lot fewer would do it if the point where you leave the forrest track were marked up clearly on the ground (i.e. a big sign).Quote:
Originally Posted by Toreador
Agreed - I nearly missed it last year, even though I was looking out for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank
My fairly simplistic thinking is that anyone has the right to ask anyone else anything they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by wharfeego
Hank - I too bonked just before Patterdale. I reckon I burned up a load of carbs going up (and down) Sticks Pass like a madman. That'll teach me!