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Chapeau Suarez (mixing my sports :rolleyes:) a class footballer :cool:
Suarez, biting the hand that feeds him.
don't let anyone ever tell you England has a world class footballer.
I thought Rooney had a good game.. 39 goals in 93 games.. well 40 in 94 now.. better than most international strikers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
Englands most dangerous player.
We lost to Italy just, and outplayed Uruguay for much of the game but defended badly.. we were ranked 11th, them 6th in the world.. only the english would be so appalled and be talking of sacking the manager..
We've made huge strides, we look a far better team, much younger age. We defended badly, that needs sorting, we need Johnson out or change our game so he plays as a wing back… otherwise lets just keep building..
Rooney and Barkley when we came on tried to make things happen.. Welbeck, Sturridge and Sterling were anonymous, Sterling is young enough that these things happen. But Baines needs to have more spine and attack more.. thats why he's in the squad.. we played as a back 4 and we can't do that with those players.. especially with two sitting midfielders.
I hope we stick with Hodgson and build for 2016..
'Ball watching' is a phrase you don't hear so much these days but Cahill has perfected the art, losing Balotelli and Suarez for 2 vital goals.
As for Joe Hart, he can't even save that kids shot in the Doritos advert so no chance with Suarez
Thought Cahill was generally very good last night. Yeah, Suarez beat him to the ball for the second goal, but in that situation I can't see a centre-back in the world who'd have got back to him. Thought Jagielka was poor for the first goal, caught in no-man's land when he'd have got a head on it if he'd stayed closer to Suarez.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Head
Agree with Iain re. Baines. Think he's looked poor. How many times did he get the ball out on the left only to cut back inside and play a neutral pass? Surely he's there to bang the ball in the box. Also agree about the performances generally and hopes for the future. Give Roy a bit of time, he's got a decent young squad and I think he could do a good job with them. Defence needs sorting though.
The defence was not the best but what are the mid field and strikers doing?
Last 8 games = 2 wins 2 draws and 4 losses
So, bearing all that in mind, it's strange that you don't make the final step to seeing what the problem was last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by IainR
First game against Italy - formation set up with Sterling in the hole, free to run at opponents, go either way with the ball and generally cause mayhem. Linked up with Sturridge well,brought Welbeck into play. Generally a threatening performance, let down only by ineffectiveness on the left-wing.
Solution? Common sense would say change the left-winger. Stick Lallana in and we'd have balance.
Instead, we changed the whole formation to accommodate the left midfielder from the first game, sticking him in the hole and moving the dangerous player out onto the right wing, where Uruguay were able to pin him to the touchline and reduce his effectiveness. Welbeck was anonymous out left and Sturridge hadn't got the link with Sterling that worked so well in the first game.
Whether Rooney played well or not (and I think he was ok, which isn't a ringing endorsement), last night proved the old rule that it's usually better to build a team of reasonable ability that works as a unit than build a team around one (supposedly) star individual. Yes blame defenders, yes blame the referee for not sending their man off, but last night was a game lost by the manager.
The good news is that the England onsie that Asda have been selling has been reduced to £10 this morning
Spain have not even waited till they get home before they sacked Del Bosque
I thought it was more of the familiar old failings from England. All the players looked nervous and played worse than they do for their club sides (except perhaps Rooney, who had a good game). It's interesting that this is the first time they've brought in a sports psychologist - Hoddle's faith healer didn't count. This didn't seem to make any difference.
Until we can get a manager who can motivate players and get them to play up for England, it doesn't really matter about formations and players, we will always underperform.
That said, I think Roy should be allowed to continue what he's started. Reassess after the Euros.
This is the problem with British football.. Static! I am gob smacked you can seriously think Lallana is the difference.. he's a decent player, good.. would make a difference, no chance. We created plenty of chances to win.. to think that was down to one position is just crazy talk..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr1470
Why have a 'left winger'? play with freedom.. It's how Fergie dominated the premier league for 20 years.. From Giggs to Sharp, to Ronaldo and Rooney.. all the front 4 could interchange.. England have great options to do that.. But we have too big a gap between midfield and the front because Henderson and Gerard drop too deep. Last night when Baines finally started being Baines, Barkley got on the bal, Henderson started making runs forwards we caused them trouble..
Most top teams now have freedom, players move around, City do it very well, but so do Liverpool.
The defence was woeful.. look at Liverpool.. you can't win things when you concede, especially in international tournaments..
I don't think we did build the team around Rooney, hence why he played left wing, but playing centrally he was a far better player.. but he's a good pro so does a job on the left.
But last night he was our best player by a mile, but most importantly he wanted to try things, he wanted to be on the ball, its why he's a top player because he wants to make a difference.. Too many went hiding. Welbeck did what welbeck does, solid but nothing special, Sterling froze (understandable at his age).. Gerrard went back to form and launched balls..
The big mistake was lambert.. we needed creativity.. not someone just stood up field.. Barkley made a massive difference because he wanted the ball, he wanted to beat men, Lallana didn't.. I'm just not convinced he can play at a top team, not at all..
I thought effort wise it was there.. I'm quite positive.. the average age is great.. Stones and Shaw to come in.. Jones possibly.. the average age is superb, we played much more positive than we have for a long time, we had 13 shots at goal.. 62% of possession.. we just made stupid errors but we are certainly moving in the right direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel
I didn't think we played at badly last night, or against Italy.
It's a young squad and they've gained valuable experience. I'd like to see Roy throw caution to the wind though and play a really attacking side against Costa Rica
Suarez has been scoring against better organised defences than England's in the Premier League all season so no surprise really last night. Italy will no doubt dish out a bit of physical intimidation to him when they play Uruguay to see how he reacts, probably what we should have done!
""Before the game too many people in England laughed about my attitude over the last few years," Suarez reflected. "This is a very good time for me. I want to see what they think now."
Does he mean the attitude that was responsible for the racial abuse and the biting he handed out? He has obviously not acquired any more maturity after that remark.
He will probably get the same treatment back in England that Ronaldo got when he returned from the World Cup having contributed to Rooney's sending off.
England think its all over.....
...it is now :rolleyes:
According to Greg Dyke, Roy Hodgson will carry on as England manager till 2016, that's a shame I was looking forward to the biennial 'Harry Redknapp for England' campaign
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97RSuv8hroc
Any these lads were in a tough situation not paid millions for doing FA.
Aye they got a load of cash from advertising as well and now there is still time for a good holiday before they go back to their clubs and bask in the reflected glory of the foreign players in their team :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
this " building for the future " nonsense , ive heard this after every tournament for decades , and still we are always let down .
We had all this years ago with our 'golden generation' of players, they ended up winning eff all and never even got close to winning anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by lilactime
Any one over 25 should be back on the plane today.
Radical is required, nothing to lose now.
I was at the City Ground in 1993 to see a previous golden generation I wouldn't watch the full England team now if they were playing Brazil on our local rec
Well that should include Roy Hodgson :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
Hodgson has some crucial selection issues still to settle. The main one is aisle or window seat? ;)
Where are the England central defenders with character these days, the ones who held the defences together by example and strength of character? Only John Terry has come close to that particular description in the last 6 years. I remember watching Tony Adams against Argentina in the World Cup and thinking he would get humiliated by that talented Argentinian attack but instead he became a "wall" keeping them out time after time, absolutely brilliant! Jack Charlton, Terry Butcher, Sol Campbell, Rio Ferdinand you always had confidence in the defences they were in :cool:
What about Tommy Smith Alf? Don't think he played many times for England but I think it's safe to say Luis Suarez wouldn't have fancied coming up against him:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Alf
He played once for England and I was looking at World Cup experience. I missed out Norman Hunter as he was crap and was responsible for us missing the 1974 World Cup. I missed out Ledley King as he was always getting injured. Carragher's best position was at full back not a central defender even if he played there for his club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Head
I have forgiven Terry Butcher for not tripping up Maradona in 1986 :D
I missed out Bobby Moore which was unforgiveable :o probably the most skilful centre back we have produced with only Rio Ferdinand getting anywhere close to him in that respect :cool:
I used to rate Des Walker, he had an outstanding World Cup at Italian 90, there was talk of a big money move abroad but Forest wouldn't let him go and by the time he moved to Sampdoria a couple of years later his career was on a downward spiral
Yes good choice, I have now turned my attention to Spurs players not wanting to play for England :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Head
Des Walker and Mark Wright ftw
It cannot be difficult to work out who the buggers areQuote:
Originally Posted by Alf
Possible Spurs players and England refusniks 2008 - 2012
I will rule out Woodgate and Jenas 2008 and 2009 last played for England.
We can probably eliminate Dawson (4) and Townsend (5) due to the number of chances they got they are unlikely to have turned down an England place.
You could forgive Ledley King if it was him due to his injury problems.
So the main suspects are with England appearances in brackets (all clubs) :
Lennon (21)
Bent (13)
Defoe (55)
King (21)
Crouch (42)
Walker (10)
Maybe it was colour related and they didn't want the racial abuse from an away trip to Eastern Europe or Spain? or possibly the ones who spent a lot of time on the bench and didn't fancy a Tuesday trip to Bosnia-Herzegovina to sit there?
Add:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alf
David Bentley (7)
Tom Huddlestone (4)
Scott Parker (18)
My money is on Michael Dawson - he knew he wasn't gonna be one of the first choice centre halves and has young kids.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/...89_634x446.jpg
Scott Parker is also a possibility.
We could work it out from this I reckon:
http://www.physioroom.com/news/engli...e6d99gd2h9r2q2
My money's on Redknapp talking shite.
David Bentley got 7 England caps? Jesus I didn't realise things had been that bad. He joined the long line of Sky's 'expert' pundits yesterday, their definition of expert is different to the one in my dictionaryQuote:
Originally Posted by TheHeathens
Do you mean all the time or just on this subject? Either way you could be rightQuote:
Originally Posted by Hank
Wasn't it at Italia 90 that England played with Mark Wright as sweeper behind Terry Butcher and Des Walker? A slightly more formidable combination than Gary Cahill and Phil JagielkaQuote:
Originally Posted by Derby Tup