Brexit

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Originally Posted by TheGrump

I'm surprised that none of the experts on this forum have been co-opted onto the negotiating team.
Or are they subject to the Official Secrets Act, or simply just modest?

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What negotiation? The EU never intended a negotiation. This is not Mays deal and she should not take the blame. It is EUs failure of a non deal. They have laid down terms to preserve their autocracy however it harms their nation states expecting Britain to conform because our Mps are so stupid as to say they will not no deal. So being called Britains "negotiator" is at best an honorary title, that nobody could want. Minute taker for EU demands would be more accurate. Particularly when chicken liver MPs will not stand up to them.

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Originally Posted by Oracle

You should study the real Boris. Not the memes or media you clearly read. I spent half an hour talking with him a couple of years ago. I demonstrated with one example the real Boris is a thinking man.

Nor can any accuse him of being two faced. Boris is unusual for a politician because he thinks what he says.And says what he thinks rather than sanitizes it for public consumption: it is saying what he thinks that gets him into to trouble some times. And it doesnt change with expedience and weather as it does for that weasel Comrade Corbyn or indeed the shifty Gove.

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Clearly the majority of us don’t have the opportunity to study our politicians at close range so any opinions that we hold will be based upon their media persona, Boris Johnson clearly comes across as a bumbling idiot, if he is happy to be portrayed in this way then I have no trust in him, the man is clearly not a fool and needs to smarten up his act. For the record I am with you on the pond scum that is Corbyn and Gove, we unfortunately live in a time of no alternatives within politics, perhaps all of our current politicians suffer from being in the public eye at a time when absolutely everything is reported in the mass media.

Haha to all the Boris Johnston for pm talk. The conservatives urgently need to be looking outwards not in - their own tribe might mostly like Boris (although a few on the left of the party have said they’d leave if he became leader) but any voter at all sitting on the fence in the middle won’t. All the remainers wouldnt go near him with a barge pole. In the mix that’s an awfully big chunk of middle class people, the very sort that have helped the conservatives get into power in the past. From my point of view Boris would be brilliant - the conservatives will be doomed 😊

Boris
Jeremy
Nigel

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Originally Posted by Oracle

Boris is an enigma.

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Indeed. How did someone with so many deplorable character traits get to where he has?

Maybe it's charisma. You say you've met him? Perhaps it's this that is blinding you to his many flaws. I've heard the same thing said about Jeremy Corbyn.

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Originally Posted by Wheeze

So. I think its boiling down to 3 choices.
1. WA voted through and a soft Brexit on may 22.
2. WA voted down and departure on 12 April with no signed agreement.
3. Government u-turns and decides not to abide by consultative referendum result.

My money is on 3.

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I think there is a different way flowing out of 2, as I think they WA will go down.

May will have to go, perhaps tonight. A stand in PM will have to ask for a short extension, which the EU might oppose, but I think they will allow an extra month or so.

Tory leadership contest.

General Election.

It could be done by early June.

If it delivers a Tory majority we will probably have a no deal Brexit and then some side deals and further talks.

If it delivers a Labour majority, as things stand we will leave but as part of a Customs Union. I suspect that it might mean we Remain as they will drift to that position if a GE happens.

If it delivers a hung Parliament, we are back to square one of course.

But I think as the last election more or less neutralised Brexit by the Tory and Labour parties standing on the same manifesto, at the next GE there will be clear water between them and it would be much more a Brexit General Election.

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Originally Posted by noel

Maybe it's charisma. You say you've met him?

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I hope he’s not his barber :D

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Originally Posted by Wheeze

So. I think its boiling down to 3 choices.
1. WA voted through and a soft Brexit on may 22.
2. WA voted down and departure on 12 April with no signed agreement.
3. Government u-turns and decides not to abide by consultative referendum result.

My money is on 3.

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The EU is and has always been hostile. The terms of 3 would be punitive.

Since parliament does not vote yes to anything, 2 is a distinct possibility by default. That is also what was mandated by election. The house will still be voting not to no deal long after the only deal has expired.

Perhaps it is because I judge on the man and his provable leadership ability, not how his opponents misreprent him.

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Originally Posted by noel

Indeed. How did someone with so many deplorable character traits get to where he has?

Maybe it's charisma. You say you've met him? Perhaps it's this that is blinding you to his many flaws. I've heard the same thing said about Jeremy Corbyn.

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Originally Posted by Witton Park

I think there is a different way flowing out of 2, as I think they WA will go down.

May will have to go, perhaps tonight. A stand in PM will have to ask for a short extension, which the EU might oppose, but I think they will allow an extra month or so.

Tory leadership contest.

General Election.

It could be done by early June.

If it delivers a Tory majority we will probably have a no deal Brexit and then some side deals and further talks.

If it delivers a Labour majority, as things stand we will leave but as part of a Customs Union. I suspect that it might mean we Remain as they will drift to that position if a GE happens.

If it delivers a hung Parliament, we are back to square one of course.

But I think as the last election more or less neutralised Brexit by the Tory and Labour parties standing on the same manifesto, at the next GE there will be clear water between them and it would be much more a Brexit General Election.

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I do not see why May should Go: it isnt her deal, it is the EUs nonsense and she is not obliged to stand down under party rules. Her offer was conditional on the deal accepted.

In any confidence vote I expect the indy group to support her: It is far too early for them to hope they can get reelected at a GE. They will want to bide their time. Since Corbyn is a republican terrorist loving thug, no way will DUP ever vote with him, indeed will vote with May. A general election solves nothing for brexit except in labour office wishful thinking. I can imagine the jewish community will also have their say against corbyn.