To drink or not to drink

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Originally Posted by Grouse

A wee?

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A small drink or what comes after a large drink.

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Originally Posted by Stolly

Mike just shut the fluck up about it now. The advice about runners being prone to drinking too much is largely relevant to fun runners and joggers who have a bash at a marathon or half marathon for the first time. Fell running is a completely different ball game - few fun runners and joggers run in the hills for a start and when the do they rarely race and if they race they very rarely enter tough long races, largely because they need experience to get accepted. Everybody else knows what water they need and feel quite happy carrying water with them in any event, regardless of whether they drink it or not.

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Leave it out Stolly. Some do and some don't could be applied to every single debate on these forums; it does not mean that we can not debate these subjects without resorting to nasty gestures. Everyone on here knows your stance on matters and it simply adds nothing. Go recce some course that you will never race and leave this thread.

It's not really a debate though is it. It's just Mike telling us we're all wrong. And that if we carry any water on a race or ever have a pee during a race (even if it is a 25 mile race) we are over hydrating. Also that we are at risk of hyponatremia by drinking during a race - even though most of us drinking on longer races wouldn't be drinking excessively and would be eating too (ie, taking on salts). Not really a sensible debate is it.

I'd say this thread has been prolonged more by people carping at MikeT, doling out their homespun wisdom and trying to back up their opinions by quoting inane TV adverts, than it has by Mike himself.

Now I'm prolonging it. Never mind, eh.

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Originally Posted by Flopsy

It's not really a debate though is it. It's just Mike telling us we're all wrong. And that if we carry any water on a race or ever have a pee during a race (even if it is a 25 mile race) we are over hydrating. Also that we are at risk of hyponatremia by drinking during a race - even though most of us drinking on longer races wouldn't be drinking excessively and would be eating too (ie, taking on salts). Not really a sensible debate is it.

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Two sides to a subject area we are all interested in,hum, i would say that was a debate.
Mike has a point. Most people have been fed incorrect advice on hydration for years/decades. We had all been told for a very long time that if you wait till you are thirsty then it is too late, you are too dehydrated. I always thought this was strange as, how would could such an essential biological indicator that has developed though evolution be wrong or too late. Well recently Tim Noakes has proven that this indicator is infact spot on. Based on this research, up to a point Mike is correct. Discuss

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Originally Posted by Roy Scott

Based on this research, up to a point Mike is correct. Discuss

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Not really as he is suggesting not to drink during races, plenty of people feel thirsty and have a sip of water during races

Anyone else need the loo?:o

I'm one of the 'carry it with me and drink when thirsty' crowd when it comes to the hills. On the road...meh. Depends how I'm feeling, but never on routes less than 10mi unless it's very hot. Not bothered about being encumbered by extra weight, because guess what? It adds to the training experience by increasing your effort (though in reality, a small bottle of water weighs less than 1kg so not really that much more effort).

In Mike's defence though, I don't think he's once preached to us to change our habits: many times he's said it works for him, knows it won't work for everyone, and is more interested in getting people thinking about whether they overdo it. He's also acknowledged that runs in the hills, especially long ones are different; so the people arguing with him, telling him that long runs in the hills are different, are wasting the print on their keyboard keys. They then moan about Mike prolonging the argument...

In summary, interesting debate, if you disagree to the point of getting angry, look away now.

x ;)

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Originally Posted by Rob Furness

Not really as he is suggesting not to drink during races, plenty of people feel thirsty and have a sip of water during races

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Based on this research, up to a point Mike is correct. Discuss

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Originally Posted by Roy Scott

Based on this research, up to a point Mike is correct. Discuss

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Which research Roy? Have you missed a link off your post?

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Originally Posted by southernsoftie

so the people arguing with him, telling him that long runs in the hills are different, are wasting the print on their keyboard keys. They then moan about Mike prolonging the argument...)

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well said squire