Cheats

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Originally Posted by Wheeze

So when a runner decides not to carry mandatory kit, its not just cheating. Its deliberately putting the future of the sport at risk.

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As I said in earlier posts - playing into the hands of the media and SELFISH.

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Originally Posted by No map, no compass

Rubbish - you can carry full FRA spec (windproof) kit and have a bumbag which looks pretty empty and is very light - just buy Montane featherlight pertex top and trousers. Both pack into stuff sacs which are about the size of an apple.

Great on a nice day, but not so good if the weather turns shite!

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if thats all you carry good luck when you fall on a NICE DAY

define nice day on the fells ????
pertex top , ffs:confused:
i wouldnt rely on one of those to wipe my arse

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Originally Posted by daz h

if thats all you carry good luck when you fall on a NICE DAY

define nice day on the fells ????
pertex top , ffs:confused:
i wouldnt rely on one of those to wipe my arse

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Its what most people are carrying mate, unless the RO tells them otherwise!

Lets face it, if you are running in shorts and a vest in a cool wind and fall badly out of sight of other runners, even full waterproofs ain't going to stop you getting hypothermia. You would need to be carrying a thermal top and leggings of some sort (plus hat and gloves, which are not mandatory under FRA rules), so basically most runners in most fell races would be f****d.

Don't come on all high and mighty. All I am saying is that lots of runners who appear to have very little in their bumbags could be complying with the rules, which is what this thread is about. If you want to carry more kit than is required by the RO that is fine, but don't slag other people off who are not actually cheating.

If you think the FRA kit requirements are too lax then get on the committee and get the rules changed. But just remember that to be truly "safe" then we would all need to carry the sort of clothes specified for mountain marathons, and I don't think you will find many fellrunners who want to be lugging that sort of gear around the average fell race.

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Originally Posted by No map, no compass

Lets face it, if you are running in shorts and a vest in a cool wind and fall badly out of sight of other runners, even full waterproofs ain't going to stop you getting hypothermia. You would need to be carrying a thermal top and leggings of some sort (plus hat and gloves, which are not mandatory under FRA rules), so basically most runners in most fell races would be f****d.

Don't come on all high and mighty. All I am saying is that lots of runners who appear to have very little in their bumbags could be complying with the rules, which is what this thread is about. If you want to carry more kit than is required by the RO that is fine, but don't slag other people off who are not actually cheating.

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This thread was started to talk about those runners who didn't carry the kit not those who didn't appear to carry the kit.

Check my original post. there were 3 runners who had NO kit at all and one who told me he only had a pertex top and that was just around me.

I also thought Perhaps wrongly that full body cover when requested included Hats and Gloves. :confused:

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Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak

I also thought Perhaps wrongly that full body cover when requested included Hats and Gloves. :confused:

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I think it means gloves, but a hood will suffice, just head cover.

While I think proper waterproofs should be carried on big races I think there needs to be more personal responsibility from runners, being able to navigate, being able to decide when's enough and get off the hill. The kit regs won't keep an injured immobile runner alive for long, but they aren't intended to, but without asking runners to carry rucksacks nothing will help in such a situation, I think we carry enough but that people's skills and experience, more than equipment, is normally the problem.

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Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak

This thread was started to talk about those runners who didn't carry the kit not those who didn't appear to carry the kit.

Check my original post. there were 3 runners who had NO kit at all and one who told me he only had a pertex top and that was just around me.

I also thought Perhaps wrongly that full body cover when requested included Hats and Gloves. :confused:

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Not carrying any kit is bloody ridiculous, particularly on a Long!

But Daz was complaining about people who's bumbags were not as full as his, which is different.

FRA rules are:

9 EQUIPMENT
Competitors should arrive at races prepared to carry any or all of the following equipment:
a) Windproof whole body cover.
b) Other body cover appropriate for the weather conditions.
c) Map and compass suitable for navigating the course.
d) Whistle.
e) Emergency food (long races).

These requirements constitute "best practice" and are mandatory at all Category A Long and Medium races.

However any race organiser is free to impose additional safety requirements (e.g. waterproof as distinct from windproof whole body cover) and competitors must be prepared to accept such requirements as a condition of race entry.

In the event of settled fine weather, confirmed by a local weather report, the organiser may decide to waive some of the above requirements for races of other categories.

So no hat and gloves needed unless the RO says so! I have to say that I almost always take hat and gloves unless it is ludicrously hot and I need to make room for water.

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Originally Posted by daz h

pertex top , ffs:confused:
i wouldnt rely on one of those to wipe my arse

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You are probably right? Too smooth, not enough friction. Never tried though but I am guessing you have as you sound the expert :confused:

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Originally Posted by No map, no compass

Not carrying any kit is bloody ridiculous, particularly on a Long!

9 EQUIPMENT
Competitors should arrive at races prepared to carry any or all of the following equipment:
a) Windproof whole body cover.
b) Other body cover appropriate for the weather conditions.
c) Map and compass suitable for navigating the course.
d) Whistle.
e) Emergency food (long races).

These requirements constitute "best practice" and are mandatory at all Category A Long and Medium races.

However any race organiser is free to impose additional safety requirements (e.g. waterproof as distinct from windproof whole body cover) and competitors must be prepared to accept such requirements as a condition of race entry.

In the event of settled fine weather, confirmed by a local weather report, the organiser may decide to waive some of the above requirements for races of other categories.

So no hat and gloves needed unless the RO says so! I have to say that I almost always take hat and gloves unless it is ludicrously hot and I need to make room for water.

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thanks for that NMNC

Must admit I had always assumed full body cover included your hands so if kit is required I take gloves (although not windproof ones). Full face mask anyone :)

On the whole though I think most of us know what is a reasonable interpretation of the rules and / or organisers stipulations.

Surely it's black and white... Rules is Rules and if you're breaking them you're a cheat regardless of whether you're at the front, back or middle of the pack.

Even if the rules of a race seem ridiculous to you that's not your decision to take.

If an RO says to carry a soft toy, by all means have a rant and moan but, if you go to the start-line without Garfield or similar, you should be DQ'd.