not more than 2-3 hours including a pint at the end!!!!:D
It is just 6 miles isn't it!!!:confused:
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not more than 2-3 hours including a pint at the end!!!!:D
It is just 6 miles isn't it!!!:confused:
Last time we were 7 hours!Quote:
Originally Posted by owmeknee
I'm hoping it will be a lot less than this!
im working friday night so if i drive straight from work should be able to get a few hours kip before you arrive
Hmmm....I think we've got a fair mix of speeds again. Some could probably do it in not much more than 4 hours, some are going to struggle with 7. I presume everyone is still happy to run to slowest pace?Quote:
Originally Posted by sunnysideup
Get out option at Honister does give a chance for anyone who has really had enough to avoid that lovely slope up Dale Head!!
hopefully ill fit somewhere in between, seven hours will make it a long day
I think at very least for emmis sake we should aim to move between checkpoints without stopping at a pace sufficient to meet the cutoffs, with a couple of minutes breather at the checkpoints, at least as far as styhead or gable. So aim for more like 5.5 hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr1470
I think there's a bit of a challenge on but it may involve ropes winches and piggybacks!!Quote:
Originally Posted by alwaysinjured
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Originally Posted by sunnysideup
possibly both
does anyone actually know which campsite everyones staying at
will i have to book for tommorow night do you think
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Originally Posted by alwaysinjured
yep this will be ideal
i will be dropping back a lot to give emmi a word or two of inspiration but she doesnt really need it shes fast enough
I'm just turning up Daz - what time you looking at getting there - PM me your mobile and we can all liase if you like? I won't be there until gone 7Quote:
Originally Posted by daz h
I am still struggling/injured and will be pretty slow so there you go
Bring it on!
Another one I cant blinking make
Shame Jamie...pm me and we will go on a long un local some time:)
Who's coming on sat now then?
Emmilou
Daz H
Moo
Sunnysideup
Grit Britain
Calf
The Juicer
Mr1470
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EmmilouQuote:
Originally Posted by moo
Daz H
Moo
Sunnysideup
Grit Britain
Calf
The Juicer
Mr1470
Huwski
Mr. Paul "Coopy" Coope
me toQuote:
Originally Posted by NotOnUrHelly
T'other day my mate Popsy says to me
'I'm thinking of doing the Borrowdale Bash in August, do you fancy it?'
Now i had considered doing it but was of a mind to leave it until 2008 as this is my first year on the fells and i regard Borrowdale as a pretty heavyweight event.
Popsy has much less experience of fellracing than I do so I was suprised to learn he was considering doing it and wondered if he knew exactly what it entailed.
Anyway, the upshot is that I now intend to enter. I would love to get a recce in beforehand but this Saturday I'm racing my bike at Keswick then am going to recce The Rydal Round (again) for Thursday.
I hope to recce Borrowdale the following weekend which is just the week before the race - would that be OK do you reckon, or is the severity of the course likely to leave me too broken to repeat 7 days later?
It's not a case of being 'too broken', more will you have the necessary 'mountaincraft' to get round in crap weather using a map and compass, rather than relying on following someone or having reccied it in perfect weather.Quote:
Originally Posted by bestathlete
Borrowdale does seem to have the image of being a soft touch long race but I can assure you it isn't. Some very experienced runners at the front of the field, including a local (who will remain nameless), got lost last year.
It will only take a day with weather like we've had today to happen and there will be much bigger problems.
It is <highly> likely that in future years you will be asked to pre-enter giving previous experience of long races to be eligible to run at Borrowdale.
There have in the past been some complete numpties (no personal offence to you intended) turning up on the day.
If you have any doubts about your ability could I suggest that you do a few more medium category races and approach it with the confidence of being happy you'll get round rather than having a nightmare and being put off for life.
this is why im recc twice
im not the best navigator in the world but fully accept that in bad weather the fells can be a hard hard place to be
and ive had experience of it
grisedale and edale gave me a wake up call and told me that you just cannot rely on being a decent runner to get round
Thanks a bundle Moo - I have been edited out!Quote:
Originally Posted by moo
PS - weather will be cr*p
Reccied the first leg to Esk Hause Last Night and scurried off down Grains Gill. Some big thunder clouds were brewing over the Scafell range, with a few claps for good measure. Lots of water about, the trod from woof gill to allen crags is quite well defined in the most part..phew There must be quite a bit of recceing goin on. Might be heading out to do Esk Hause to Sty Head after work tonight to try and get the route off the pike sorted...well we'll see what the weathers got in store first. You guy's have a good day out on sat. I hope the weathers kind.
Have a good run tomorrow folks - go easy on the Banana cake.
Looking to see you on the day.
ill be there rosthwaite car park .tenish right!Quote:
Originally Posted by alwaysinjured
on my way up, see you tomorrow - note! thread moved to reccie.Quote:
Originally Posted by owmeknee
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Originally Posted by Purpleplodder
Cheers PP, thats given me food for thought. TBH I had previouslydy made my mind up NOT to enter but it was when my mate mentioned he was gonna do it. Think I'll have a word with him again - show him the thread and advise against it. Will still try to get a recce in though - all good practice/knowledge etc etc.
huw that white powder worked instantly after the drop off dale head
cheers
shit im on the wrong thread
oooops
yes you are only allowed to talk about the race proper here - i believe....... white powder references have to go on the 'other'.
Did you misread the question HD?
15/17 degrees is the dead reckon scafell pike to the scree gully
66/67 is the bearing on the fast route off gable.
15 degrees of gable would send you plummeting down Gable crag, which is E grade rocklimbing!!!
I've moved this reply from the recce thread cos it's 'proper' stuff!:rolleyes:
Mike or anyone! I thought the scree gully was 22 degrees coming off Scarfell??
is this wrong?
That route off gable was MUCH better - hope i can find it again
and will someone please clear up the Brandreth to Honister issue oh and the corridor route to sty head!!
I need to get the right line down to the gully just befor sty head to avoid all the slippy rocks please!
The brandreth route verses Moses Trod?
I know Paul found it 5 minutes quicker because he ran it all which maybe better for me ? I haven't recce'd it though so on race day don't want to risk dissapearing off on my own - but is it a clear trod all the way down or is there a bearing needed at any point?
OR - if I go to the first stile but NOT over it and carry straight on up along the fence line how did we get onto the grassy run down on the recce in June as we went the other way on saturday but from what I remember the fence line route for me felt a bit quicker and more runable
HELP PLEASE!!!
scafellQuote:
Originally Posted by emmilou
They were saying 22 behind us - but the line you went down on my compass was 17 where there is a small but definite trod - and you get to see the crag to your left which ensures you are in the right place. In the end emmi dont worry about a couple of degrees here, the ground channels you into the gully so long as you are not massively out.
corridor route
I dont think there is one " right answer. "
It depends what you like, and what kind of ground you are fast on. There is a lot of grass you can run, but it needs a lot of dodging and ducking of the path.
Dont think I was on the rocks more than a few hundred yards, and I only came back up ot the path because that is where some of you still were. I prefer the grass low down, but if you are still up high on the rocky path you do better to follow it round at the end as we did. If you are already lower down on the grass that grass gully is better. The problem is if you are too high up there is a "ravine" that is hard to cross.
brandreth/grey knotts.
Again I dont think there is a "right" answer - avoiding brandreth to the left is further by 800m and possible a bit more, against 50m extra climb over brandreth. It is not 5 minutes quicker, unless you are a fast runner and cr*p climber. And moses trod is rougher and not quite as good running as it seems from where you saw it. If by then you are reduced mostly to fast walking, the shortest route over the top is the best If you are still running fast, consider moses trod, but look on the map first. It is a long way round.
There are then a choice of routes from grey knotts. Either straight down , or arcs to the left towards better ground ( my preference, but I like spongy grass) There is also advantage going the high route that in serious white out clag, the fence is a good navigation hand rail. Theres also a path that goes into the back of the quarry itself on the right of the fence all the way down and, IMHO it is horrible ( dont think you have seen that)
You are looking for objective answers emmi, where the real answer is subjective: it is what is best for you that matters. And in the end, it probably doesnt make much difference at all. Pacing it properly - tapering, drinking and eating will make a lot more difference than any small tweak in the route.
comin down the corridor route you pass stand crag on your left , about 20 seconds after the path veers slightly left , plummet left and fly down the grass with the gulley to your left , dont drop to low and aim for the last piece of grass that you can run off , just aim straight for the bottom of gable, you miss that up and down gulley and cut the corner off.
who is staying for the weekend?
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Originally Posted by Roger Rabbit
im staying saturday night
there will be a few beers sunk
is joliver camping as well , im sure chris was on abut running it
I should be there Friday & Saturday night. Not too much beer, though, as I'll have my 7 year old daughter with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger Rabbit
yep - friday and saturday night and woe betide any snorers out there who keep me awake friday night!!:eek:
do you think you can find the forum campsite this timeQuote:
Originally Posted by emmilou
oh and whats for dinner :)
hmmm - well there is that!!:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by daz h
I'm sure hubbie will be whisking me to the pub in order to avoid my low GI barley rissotto!! not sure he's coping with the committment as well as I am!!
who's turn is it to make the cake??
do jaffa cakes count??
They are doing 2 packs for 70p in sainsburys at the moment!
I'm Camping Friday and Saturday night at Chapel House farm if possible.
I need to avoid the pre-race beers - those pints of 'Hawkshead' in the Langstrath Inn slip down far to easily.
no stuart they make you run down the scree faster:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Grit Britain
Im camping Friday and Saturday,
well we at least need to all get on the same field
do they have a special field for the race with a little section for forumites:rolleyes: