I think you're right Wheeze. But the problem with things being escalated to higher echelons is that they tend to be distorted by those who thrive at those levels and who are more interested in their own power-play, adherence to esoteric on-message political correctness and the like. The views of 'ordinary' people/members somehow are often lost. Not sure how you remedy that. Some sort of grass-roots consultation. I know! A referendum perhaps;)