Brexit

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Originally Posted by Oracle

All of the halfway houses just show how gutless our MPs are. They are all a case of accepting all of the disadvantages, and getting none of the benefits of control or our own trade agreements. Thats why Barnier wants it. To keep us under EU thumb.

MPS only have two choices with an EU that has always refused to negotiate.
Rescind A50 and paralyse EU until it negotiates, or Leave without a deal and show that project fear was bunk. But even that they should have done quickly. The delay is hurting not helping.

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Originally we were presented with a negotiation which would see us having a withdrawal agreement and a signature ready trade deal - distant memories back in the day before the General Election that May wasn't going to call.

We went in to the GE with both Labour and Tory promising to:
honour the referendum result.
leave the single market.
leave the customs union.

They received 82% of the votes with another chunk going to the DUP, UUP and UKIP who also had the same promises, so over 85%.

Had there been a real momentum against the referendum outcome, we might have expected a surge in support for LibDem and Green, but we didn't. Even the SNP vote share in Scotland was down.

I was struck yesterday watching Alistair Campbell making his case for us to Remain. He asked how long will it be for the 2016 referendum to lose it's validity.

and I think there you have the ploy. Delay, as long as possible, accept these extentions, kick the can down the road and perhaps then we'll just say sod it, give in and stay.

I can't see it working, buy I think it's clear from the tactics we see in the Commons that this is what the Remain MPs would like and do it in a way that takes the heat off of them.

Can't see it happening.

In fact I think the latest polling is (unfortunately) going to push the Tories and Labour in to a rather awful BRINO to avoid a Euro Election drubbing and handing a real electoral momentum to the Brexit Party, which might even get some MPs on board over the Summer.

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Originally Posted by Witton Park

In fact I think the latest polling is (unfortunately) going to push the Tories and Labour in to a rather awful BRINO to avoid a Euro Election drubbing and handing a real electoral momentum to the Brexit Party, which might even get some MPs on board over the Summer.

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That would be something we've not really seen so far: the far-right (or whatever you want to call it, I realise some people on here don't consider them that "far") getting MPs.

It could be a strange situation as it was last time where lots of people were/are prepared to vote UKIP or Brexit party in the EU elections, which doesn't affect UK government policy over Brexit, but less keen to vote for them in national elections, which could directly affect government policy. I guess this is understandable as UKIP/Brexit have largely been single issue parties.

Of course, it's also a lot to do with proportional representation; first past the post does nothing to help smaller parties.

Noel - have a read of this by ex revolutionary communist and lefty standing for Brexit Party.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/0...bWa-u9wgHWb_uw

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Originally Posted by Graham Breeze

Nobody has yet managed to underestimate how dim Corbyn really is.:)

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The scary part is McDonnell is worse. Numerous examples: As a would be chancellor he once said " I don't want to borrow, I want to use bonds".

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Originally Posted by noel

That would be something we've not really seen so far: the far-right (or whatever you want to call it, I realise some people on here don't consider them that "far") getting MPs.

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What’s your definition of far right?

It’s hard to see how the Brexit Party can be described as such. Their candidates for the European elections come from a wide range of different backgrounds, ethnicities and political views (as WP alluded to). What they all have in common is outrage that our political class have sought to overturn the result of the referendum. They’ll certainly be getting my vote and I don’t consider myself far right.

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Originally Posted by Oracle

The scary part is McDonnell is worse. Numerous examples: As a would be chancellor he once said " I don't want to borrow, I want to use bonds".

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Priceless. Maybe we should hold a poll, “who is your favourite Labour half-wit?”

Screw Brexit; I’ve done a fell race tonight 😀

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Originally Posted by Derby Tup

Screw Brexit; I’ve done a fell race tonight ��

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Well done that man!
No doubt you (will) feel better for it. :)

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Originally Posted by Muddy Retriever

Priceless. Maybe we should hold a poll, “who is your favourite Labour half-wit?”

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No contest: Abbot!, she wins by a country mile even from Prescott who took some beating.
When he retired a pundit said "hansard was kind to him" because they had to correct so many howlers in recording what he had said.

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Originally Posted by Derby Tup

Screw Brexit; I’ve done a fell race tonight ��

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Which one? And did you beat Stef?