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GD _ I don't think you have anything to worry about. The small number of voters who actually put their cross next to BNP will get wiped out at a general election.

Purport - "have the often specious appearance of being, intending, or claiming"
That does accurately describe the approach of "New" Labour to freedom, justice and greater opportunities.

You are right not to be frightened of people like Tebbit and Benn - quality politicians with differing views. Genuine - where have they all gone?

Thanks for encouraging comments WP and NB. I did indeed use the word "purport" with the intention of conveying that precise meaning. All I want is a pragmatic government with more faith in the people and a little less overbearing self-belief.
Just look at my avatar. It's the BNP that needs to frightened.:D

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Originally Posted by Guick Dotto

Thanks for encouraging comments WP and NB. I did indeed use the word "purport" with the intention of conveying that precise meaning. All I want is a pragmatic government with more faith in the people and a little less overbearing self-belief.
Just look at my avatar. It's the BNP that needs to frightened.:D

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GD your welcome, the BNP are frightened of anyone who understand the politics, because i feel BNP target issues where the goverment have not fully given the public the correct information, BNP is built on ignorance.

And the reason i feel people did not vote this year, is not because they wanted BNP in, i think if they had all the information they would have voted, but i feel they did not vote because of the policians who got greedy, that is the only reason why people got P off and did not vote not because people wanted BNP in, that again was sadly BNP advantage, ignorance was again in the lack of information given.

Because if people had known what would have happened, i feel they would have voted, it happened at the wrong time straight after all the 2nd homes incidences, perfect timing for BNP votes.

GD you will always be welcome in my world, one that does not include a BNP.

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Originally Posted by Notlob till i die

Where's your evidence for this statement ??
Perhaps there was a headline on the front of The Daily Torygraph that mentioned censorship and government in the same sentence and that's all the evidence you need.

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If I refuse to let Mr Griffin into my house to speak is that censorship? If I refuse to let Mr Griffin advertise the BNP in my journal is that censorship?

Refusing to deal with others because one disagrees is not censorship.

Preventing consenting adults from expressing ideas one doesn't like is censorship, and can only be established(and is being) by the state I.e. Government.

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Originally Posted by are we there yet

No thanks I'll stick with my original statement that racism is wrong - FACT!!

What you're doing up there is making excuses why people are voting for the BNP, there is no excuse, it is wrong to vote for them. There are lots of problems about, but the answer isn't voting for racists unless you are racist.

We are having this conversation about giving them freedom of speech only because racism is legal, if you think it should be legal then you are racist. If you are not racist then you know how abhorrent racism is, that it does not deserve the privilege of free speech and that it should be made illegal in order to stamp it out.

And lets face it you either are racist or you're not.

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Do you believe in the democratic system?

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Originally Posted by Guick Dotto

Actually RH it would be really interesting to know why you changed from Labour, who purport, at least, to stand for freedom, justice and greater opportunities for all especially the disadvantaged to a party that stands for the exact opposite,. But that's only my opinion. You probably think I've got it all wrong about the BNP. Why don't you explain? I for one won't slag you off.

CL you get really upset about people like you being discriminated against and controlled, but when you have to wear a yellow star on your coat or go to the back of the bus to make way for someone witha better skin tone;: that's discrimination. I am not afraid of Norman Tebbit or Tony Benn but I feel real fear about the BNP. I have a foreign name but all my life I've been just another Tyke. Since the influx of workers from eastern Europe suddenly I'm wondering, will the anger these "British workers" feel be turned against me, my wife and daughter? Stop getting excited about little things, stop showing off, think.

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Guick do you agree with the democratic system?

Read this - I believe in Hope rather than Hate.

Me too, old tune but its true, "Hate is all the world has even seen lately":(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPD6YiBFG1Q
Its not Mission Impossible, all you have to do is talk to people and be tolerant, and if they're rrrrr's holes, put some manners on em:mad:
Nowt's ever simple though:confused: Perhaps i am!!

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Originally Posted by christopher leigh

Guick do you agree with the democratic system?

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I believe in democracy. I believe that Evil is a reality. I believe it will never go away as long as humans walk the earth. I believe that the BNP is a manifestation of that evil. Democrats must denounce the BNP with all vigour. If the fascists have a right to speak in our democracy then they must accept the consequence that all right thinking people will heap opprobrium on them. If they express their anti-democratic views freely they must be prepared to hear a rebuttal that is a thousand times stronger because they are outnumbered to that extent. You CL should be using all your debating skills to damn them and damn them again. The BNP must lose this argument before it takes root and begins to germinate in the minds of the gullible and fools.
Let them speak but then let them be damned!

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Originally Posted by Guick Dotto

I believe in democracy. I believe that Evil is a reality. I believe it will never go away as long as humans walk the earth. I believe that the BNP is a manifestation of that evil. Democrats must denounce the BNP with all vigour. If the fascists have a right to speak in our democracy then they must accept the consequence that all right thinking people will heap opprobrium on them. If they express their anti-democratic views freely they must be prepared to hear a rebuttal that is a thousand times stronger because they are outnumbered to that extent. You CL should be using all your debating skills to damn them and damn them again. The BNP must lose this argument before it takes root and begins to germinate in the minds of the gullible and fools.
Let them speak but then let them be damned!

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Powerful words passionately expressed GD

Does anyone know if it's true that Nick Griffin has two rottweilers named Anne and Frank as was claimed by someone quoting the Sunday Times this morning on the Andrew Marr show? If it is I suspect it might give some clues as to the man's thought process