Fellsman

I have only taken part in the fellsman twice and I believe that it should cater for all entrants, walkers, runners and those in between. I personally don't like or agree with the grouping rule. I'm sure that without it my time would slightly increase as I would be one of those who are unable to pop over for a quick recce. Although my time may increase my feeling of completion would be so much more and to me that would make a more memorable and enjoyable event. I don't expect the organisers to change the grouping rule though as they would be to concerned by the H & S police and that they would see that as a step too bold to take. I do think that the grouping timings should be realistic. 1900 this year was far too early, this was also the view of several of the organisers at the finish as they were discussing it. 2030 on the Friday when snoozing in me car and it was still daylight outside. They could also have differing group times depending on what cp you are at and how far to the next cp (as has been mentioned). These differing times could also be wrapped up by accepting the different group requirements of walkers and runners - this would be simple to do. An earlier start time would also assist in off setting some of the group timing requirements with virtually no impact on anyone's life.

Any sign of any results yet?

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Originally Posted by AndyA

Any sign of any results yet?

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Nah - looks like they're really going to town on sorting out the disqualifications of the two teams before they get onto results Andy. Think someone posted that a few pages back

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Originally Posted by AlanB

Nah - looks like they're really going to town on sorting out the disqualifications of the two teams before they get onto results Andy. Think someone posted that a few pages back

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Perhaps, although I can't see why that should take so long. The groups got split up because a few entrants (not allowed to call them runners!) couldn't be bothered/were too arrogant to follow a simple safety procedure = disqualify them, simples!

Everything seems to move soooo slowly in Fellsman world! :rolleyes:

You lot are utterly amazing. The kangaroo court is in full session and will reach it’s verdict without hearing any of the evidence from either party. You talk about arrogance. I’ve never experienced anything like the arrogance shown by you. Thank goodness you do not work in the judicial system (at least I hope you don’t), as there is something about innocent until proven guilty. You have absolutely NO IDEA what happened with the group I was in and yet you spout conjecture all over the forum. If you are remotely interested, we as a group have submitted a report to the organisers for the perusal. Whether they disqualify us or not us up to them and we will abide by their decision whichever way it goes. But I’m sure that they will look at all the evidence first and make a fair judgement based upon it. Unlike you. !!:angry:

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Originally Posted by Dog Breath

You lot are utterly amazing. The kangaroo court is in full session and will reach it’s verdict without hearing any of the evidence from either party. You talk about arrogance. I’ve never experienced anything like the arrogance shown by you. Thank goodness you do not work in the judicial system (at least I hope you don’t), as there is something about innocent until proven guilty. You have absolutely NO IDEA what happened with the group I was in and yet you spout conjecture all over the forum. If you are remotely interested, we as a group have submitted a report to the organisers for the perusal. Whether they disqualify us or not us up to them and we will abide by their decision whichever way it goes. But I’m sure that they will look at all the evidence first and make a fair judgement based upon it. Unlike you. !!:angry:

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Oh wind it back in, it'll drop off!

By your own admission you lost one of your group for over 30 minutes;

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Originally Posted by Dog Breath

Of the 18 Fellsmans I've now completed, that has to be by far the coldest. I've had some pretty rough ones over the years, but I don't think I have ever been so cold. I couldn't warm up at all. Even a determined walk up Great Whernside did not generate any heat. I can understand why people got hypothermia, and was probably not far off myself. I know grouping is for safety reasons, but everyone still has to take personal responsibilty and in conditions such as those experienced you get into survival mode. One guy with us had a Petzl Tikka for his torch, which may be OK round the camp site, but up there when you NEED to see where you were going, it was useless. Consequently, we had a lot of standing around in the freezing conditions waiting for him. There weren't too many groups behind as we got through Park Rash before it was abondonned. But the worst point was that 900 metres before Capplestone CP, we waited for him at the stile, and then continued to the CP. We were only walking and he should have been with us but wasn't, and we had to wait 30+ minutes in the freezing conditions before he materialised. We were all getting varying degrees of shudders while we were waiting. The CP staff just told him to get in their tent and sent us on our way. I eventually finished in 19:43 and was my slowest time for many years. I've just about thawed out, but blimey that was a cold one.

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That sounds like a group that got separated.

Stop bleating and do as you're told next time (if there is a next time?)

You really take the biscuit. Who the hell are you to tell me to do as I'm told. I don't answer to you or anyone else on this forum. The sheer arrogance of you. You're just another juveline keyboard warrior.

Guys, I don't like the way this threads going, but your original post DB came across very negatively towards the other guy. That's probably why AndyA is appearing so harsh.
Anyway, I'm off out to get muddy. Lets just see what comes like you say DB

Gentlemen,whats happening here?Let the organisers sort this one out.it's up to them to interpret the rules as they see fit.Kangaroo courts are of no use here.Perhaps we ,the entrants, can learn a thing or two here.We all know the rules before the start so if we don't agree with them don't enter.May be thats a bit too simplistic.Lay off the guys under scrutiny until its sorted,learn from the experiences of others and come back next year a bit wiser and more determined.

This was my first Fellsman,yes i was disappointed to be pulled off the hill with the end in sight,it was a wise and brave decision of the organising team,but I'll be back as they say.I've enjoyed the banter and advice on this forum except the last few posts,is there any need to get stuck in without ALL the facts?If the truth be known, there but for the grace of god many more of us might have been in the same boat!
Dave

Just been reading this whole thread. The forum at its worst I'm afraid. Andy, if you weren't there in that group and you're not the RO then might I ask what you're doing and why you're doing it in open forum?

Sounds like DB has been honest about what happened and how he feels about it and the ROs are on it. So what are you doing? Not helping that's what. Let those that were there and those who run the event deal with it based on facts. This wilful hectoring only makes things worse.

Did the group make a bad call or were they simply inattentive? Was the chap in question ill prepared and did this compromise the group's safety? Did the weather, which was clearly bad enough for an abandonment, simply make the likelihood of a group splitting increase, or did the weather elevate the impact of something that happens most years but usually passes unnoticed? I don't know and neither does anyone else but the ROs, the marshals etc in attendance and the group concerned are those that between them can uncover what happened and what should result, eg rule changes, dsqs, org changes etc. everything else is opinion and not knowledge and is at best tittle tattle and at worse a weak platform for a bit of cyber bullying which I didn't think was welcome on this forum.

The debate on grouping or not was helpful and it's good to see that opposing views were thought about and responded to in a considered way.

Its hard not to form an opinion on what appears to have happened. Personally I'm aware that my opinion counts for nothing because I have no idea what it was like. Good luck to all those whose opinions do matter in trying to sort this out.