Identity Cards

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Originally Posted by Gambatte

In the other countries I lived in having ID card is considered the most normal thing in the world. People would not imagine there are countries without id cards.
How does a person prove his/her identity without identity card?
Passport or driving licence? Many don't have them.

To prove my identity or address here I was asked 1) my mother's name, 2) my gas bill. They don't prove my identity or my address.

So, how does a person prove his/her identity without id card?
He doesn't.

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The main reason for this Gambatte is the fact of how it is worded, its a pilot which is infact a trial, which is then voluntary to have one, but it will cost us £60 each for the priviledge...

If the goverment want them, then they should be free, but even that i personally will not agree too.

We are in a credit crunch, hardly afford our food shopping, then they think oh we need more money, we shall get it from the little people.

So yes i can see why its okay in other countries for this card, in USA my friend said it just is, and thats it.

Nice to see you Gambatte x

So they decided to trial the scheme in the city where people gave their lives to establish true democracy :rolleyes:

They could have gone the whole hog and launched it at the Free Trade Hall (hotel).

So.. where was the true democracy established again...?:confused:

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Originally Posted by Grouse

So.. where was the true democracy established again...?:confused:

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I take it you didn't follow the link in my previous post........

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Originally Posted by NirvanaBliss

The main reason for this Gambatte is the fact of how it is worded, its a pilot which is infact a trial, which is then voluntary to have one, but it will cost us £60 each for the priviledge...

If the goverment want them, then they should be free, but even that i personally will not agree too.

We are in a credit crunch, hardly afford our food shopping, then they think oh we need more money, we shall get it from the little people.

So yes i can see why its okay in other countries for this card, in USA my friend said it just is, and thats it.

Nice to see you Gambatte x

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I agree (partly), with what you wrote.

But still, I can't get an answer to my concern: how does one prove identity without id card?
TV licence, gas bill, my Mum name, saying my date of birth cannot prove my identity or address, but banks and other places still think they do. Of course committing fraud is as simple as it actually is.
(true, a badly made id system would make fraud even easier, but then the point is the system must be enough robust, not to avoid it at all.)

Expect to see the cost of the cards increase after the trial period as the government seeks to fill the black hole it's created in the public finances.

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Originally Posted by Gambatte

I agree (partly), with what you wrote.

But still, I can't get an answer to my concern: how does one prove identity without id card?

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For what purposes are you meaning?

For credit, you generally need a photo ID (passport / driving licence) and proof of address (utility bill / bank statement). Now to get a passport or driving licence, your identity has been checked already and both the bank and utility provider will have done credit reference checks on you when opening your account with them.

Of course, after providing those pieces of ID they will still do a credit search on you against the electoral roll.

It's not perfect - but there are a number of checks and you'd need to bypass them all.

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Originally Posted by Gambatte

In the other countries I lived in having ID card is considered the most normal thing in the world. People would not imagine there are countries without id cards.
How does a person prove his/her identity without identity card?
Passport or driving licence? Many don't have them.

To prove my identity or address here I was asked 1) my mother's name, 2) my gas bill. They don't prove my identity or my address.

So, how does a person prove his/her identity without id card?
He doesn't.

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It's only normal because people are forced to comply. If the individual was given a choice without fear of prejudice, then I think most wouldn't carry it.

Now you asked the question, 'how does a person prove his/her identity without an identity card?'

The answer you gave was he doesn't, which is wrong. A person's identity can be established by DNA or fingerprints. That doesn't imply you then have the right to hammer an inked finger down on a sheet of paper. What it does mean is that in situations of wrong doing, the culprit's identity can be established.

For instance: if someone runs into the back of your car how do you ascertain identity. The person could give you the wrong name and address and the car could be cloned. In these situations I think we should exchange fingerprints as well as names and addresses. That way you're more certain of getting the culprit to pay the damage.

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Originally Posted by christopher leigh

For instance: if someone runs into the back of your car how do you ascertain identity. The person could give you the wrong name and address and the car could be cloned. In these situations I think we should exchange fingerprints as well as names and addresses. That way you're more certain of getting the culprit to pay the damage.

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I think I'd rather just take the risk. The kind of person who did that is hardly going to give you their fingerprints are they, so you're putting yourself at risk of physical attack

The western democracies are decadent. Everyone knows that democracy is a rubber word that can be bounced around to mean anything to anyone.

What we end up with is the scene set today. Legalised looting initiated by morally bankrupt politicians, who are positioned by those wanting the unearned.

The I.D scheme is such an example of the above. Create a perceived threat by wrong policy I.e. foreign policy, then scare people(terrorism) into believing they need controlling to make things better. After that use the money from the scheme to buy votes.

When they run out of that money they create another scheme, and the needle returns to the start of the song, and we all sing along like before.

1,2,3 and nothing ever happens........