Anyone else see that brave officer doing a U.F.C. Ground and pound, on a female shoplifter?
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Anyone else see that brave officer doing a U.F.C. Ground and pound, on a female shoplifter?
No, but good on him / her. Had my fair experience of female shoplifters in Debenhams Sheffield (at Uni), one of whom threatened me with a syringe.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbrt
Our hero forgot to check for CCTV.
It's in the Torygraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...aces-sack.html
To be dismissed and guilty of assault.
Was it full of right wing bile?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHeathens
Thankfully they r not all cnuts. It was his fellow officers who were concerned with the level of violence.
There u go heathens. I am not a cop hater, after all.
From this 'story' I support the policeman. Has the Mirror also reported it?
I suspect it would be something like: Crazed policeman caught on TV punching vulnerable woman.
Amusingly, the Mirror has branded itself the "intelligent tabloid", with the strapline "All the latest news, sport and celebrity gossip"!! You couldn't make this up.
Tabloid sounds so red top.
Compact is the way forward
Yawn. As a 'journo' I'd have expected a more considered response from you but you just delved deep into your box of stock replies, sponsored by the Guardian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dynamo Dan
I hope that the same situation never happens to you Dan because inviting them in for a cup of tea and trying to work out why they're like that doesn't work. Actually, I hope it does happen to you to see how you react. How do you think you would?
I hadn't seen the story but based on the Telegraph account, it wasn't too dissimilar. If someone bit me and said they had Aids, I'd kick the living sh*t out of him/her.
edit: Having seen the CCTV, it doesn't look like she bit him and wasn't being aggressive so, in fairness, I think he over reacted.
Ha ha!! If my skin was that thin I'd have been scared of a syringe wielding smackhead too....Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHeathens
I've been in plenty of situations like that over the years before I worked as a journo and whilst working as one. I wouldn't wish them on anyone - even if someone hurt my feelings on the internet.
I've even been attacked by a chair wielding housing benefit claimant whilst working on the benefits counter in Manchester Town Hall.
Needless to say I din't invite them round to my Chorlton Kibbutz for a cup of tea and a bowl of muesli ....
I don't read the Guardian anymore either - it's trash.
It's a shame you didn't watch the video before you tried to defend that copper.
They should have given her a seven shoplifting session ban and a £2000 fine like that Torquay footballer got for biting :rolleyes:
But that would rule her out for important European shoplifting sessions and qualifying for the world shoplifting championships.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alf
A lesson in irony right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dynamo Dan
You've got issues. Stop embarrassing yourself and move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHeathens
Another lesson in irony. Go on...have the last word and show us how you've 'moved on'Quote:
Originally Posted by Dynamo Dan
I don't know if you've noticed but no one else is is having this conversation except you and I. So when you say "us" you really mean yourself because no one else on here really cares about this. The fact you've phrased it in that way shows everyone else how self deluded you really are.
There's plenty of people on here who know how I've moved on since I stopped posting so much on here - I speak to them face to face at races and on the fells. A lot of them have stopped posting on here too.
I won't be responding to you anymore.
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Originally Posted by TheHeathens
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dynamo Dan
Eleven former police officers questioned under caution on suspicion of manslaughter, misconduct & perverting the course of justice in connection with Hillsborough
I have an acquaintance who served for more than 40 years and he is very clear.
What stagger says!
I would imagine that some Fell Runners climb walls, leave gates open, drop litter, park inconsiderately etc etc, but not all of them, one bad apple doesn’t spoil the whole bunch, the Police a lot of the time do some pretty grim work for not a lot of reward, people are too quick to jump on all of them when one of them lets them all down :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
hear hearQuote:
Originally Posted by Daletownrunner
The only time I have ever had issues with police, or seen things that has bought my trust into question, has been at football. Often they are under immense pressure in these situations, but I have seen some shocking incidents from the police at football.
Apart from that, I have always found them to be very reasonable.
Football brings out the worst in normally very reasonable gentlefolk. And these people probably bring out the worst in the police.Quote:
Originally Posted by Travs
I think police are just like any other section of society (clergy, politicians, celebrities, teachers) - most good, some bad. What is clear to me is that they tend to look after their own - generally a creditable trait. However, it is here where in some cases there can be a conflict of interest with also serving the public good.
That's true. But the runners are the public. Would you expect a RO to do the same in a race they organised?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daletownrunner
Hillsborough
Orgreave
News agent in London
Etc
I agree there are some very good officers but there's a lot of bad too, which is inappropriate for the job they carry out.
Traffic police are the worst with quotas to meet and relatively few serious offences to bother with. I was stopped once for "allegedly touching and coming close to crossing a solid white line". Telling him he was dazzling me with his lights didn't go down well though.
I can only assume that the reason an enquiry has not been granted into this is purely a political one and as such that is unforgiveable. I just hope that one day the real truth will out - we know who was really to blame for this....Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
That said we should not tar today's constabulary with the same brush. Times have changed and at the end of the day the majority of the police force in my experience are good people and the just the sort you would want to put your trust in when you need it. I have a friend in the West Midlands police and although he would admit that not all PCs are perfect, the stresses that they are put under are far more considerable than most us would even have an inkling of. That does not mitigate flagrant law breaking as in the above example but they do deserve a break now and again.
I would especially highlight the work of the WM Police Road Harm Reduction Team. Proactively trying to reduce accidents by advising and educating all road users on road safety. Their operation close pass has been particularly successful in reducing accidents involving cyclists by educating car drivers and is now being rolled out across police forces nationwide. Modern policing is a totally different world.
A very close relation of mine is a serving officer she was brought up well by her Mam & Dad to do the right thing, to always tell the truth, to be nice to folk and to work hard, I’m very proud of her :) I know she will carry this into her work, I think that a bad apple will always be a bad apple no matter what profession they end up in, I bet we’ve all worked with some right horrors no matter what line of work we’re in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
Yeah, but they are pretty useless in my experience. I was very nearly killed a couple of years back. The responsible party outright lied to the cops on 2 occasions and the cops told me there was nothing they could do. I KNOW the party lied and there is social media proof but they just would not act.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43502993
Lack of judgement or a pair of numpties?
It means the same doesn't it? Like "tired and emotional" means "sh1tfaced".
At least it gives a face to the people who are trying to find the murderer. Probably a sign of the times.
This seemed like the thread to post this on.
I'm a little staggered by the talk of "banning" protest marches on Sunday.
I organise events. Some in my own name, but also for others. I've done area and national road, cross country and fell events with 1000s of runners down to local fell races with 50 taking part.
In all of them I have a procedure to follow.
I haver to put together a risk assessment, event management plan and public liability insurance whether via FRA, EA or arranged personally.
I then have to submit my plan to any landowners, sometimes other agencies like Natural England, and my local Authority Event Safety and Advisory Group (ESAG).
ESAG then disseminate to their member agencies such as police, ambulance, fire, highways, hospitals...
I then receive feedback, which might make requests or recommendations.
I cannot go forward with an event UNLESS I take on board that feedback and get all necessary permissions.
If I am asked to amend the route, or change the start time, that is NOT a ban.
It is most likely a pragmatic request because resources are required elsewhere, something we often see with football matches.
Burnley and Blackburn do not both play at home on Saturdays.
The Police know they can make recommendations, requests, even demands.... and that does not equate to a ban.
So can we trust the police?
Not when the head of the Met states he has no powers to stop a Sunday protest,
I think the march is on Saturday?
Having not organised a protest march, I wonder if the rules are the same as for organising a race. I would think they're different, but now I'm intrigued.
So come on, who here has ever organised an official protest, and what does it involve? Also, what powers do the police have to stop unofficial protest?
So many questions.
Mr Tugendhat told BBC Breakfast: “Let’s be clear, the Palestinian Solidarity Campaign has said that they want to march on Remembrance Sunday, and that is a matter of great concern to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by molehill
There have been plans to protest on both days and this doesn't just apply to London.
Barry Town have cancelled the Remembrance Day Parade because of “health and safety challenges which cannot be overcome at this late stage”.
Where is the Pro Palestine march in London?
The march's route will take activists from the Marble Arch corner of Hyde Park at approximately 12pm on Saturday, head south through the capital down the Vauxhall Bridge Road and cross the River Thames en route to the US Embassy on Nine Elms Lane in opposition to US president Joe Biden's unwavering support for the ...4 hours ago
I'm thinking the government and police need to sort out which day they are all talking about first.
All I know is that Armistice Day is on Saturday and Remembrance Sunday is on, err, Sunday and both will have events at the Cenotaph.
I also suspect that the wet, woke and spineless Met Commissioner, Mark Rowley will be out of a job by the middle of next week.
There was a call for a "million-man" protest on Remembrance Day and that was in addition to the Saturday one.Quote:
Originally Posted by molehill
Maybe the backlash has led them to drop Sunday? But as Llani indicates, both days are important days for many.
There's also 200,000 football fans in town over the weekend and the police have to deal wityh that as well.
It includes Burnley, so they aren't to be messed with ;)
#suicidesquad
I trust the Met Police more than I trust Mrs Braverman - but thats not saying a lot!
I'm not the greatest fan of Braverman either, but the Home Office has been a source of frustration for Ministers for years. In 2006 John Reid described it as "not fit for purpose" and it seems to have got worse not better.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattPo
The devolution of powers hasn't helped, because we now have a complete cockwomble in charge of them.
I sense a lot of frustration in Braverman and I would certainly put her ahead of the Met Police where I think the Commissioner is being deceitful and you can get in trouble for standing on a street corner with a billboard that states "children cannot consent to puberty blockers" which strangely now at last seems to be Government policy, although some clinicians have yet to be persuaded :/