Race kit requirements.

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Originally Posted by daz h

Heck darth , are you a first aider

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am trained in it, and tend to err on the cautious side,:o

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Originally Posted by daz h

Good luck with the trail:eek: shoes

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I wore them on saturday for my run up Coniston Old Man, they were immense:D

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Originally Posted by emmilou

can't you borrow one?? Sports dept at Uni or something? tell them what your doing??

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Thats a good idea actaully. There is a mountaineering so i can see they can help. First, im going to empty all my cupboards and see if by chance i can find them - although i havent seen them since i was in scouts which was about hmm...4 years maybe?

After all this thread, at the Roaches yesturday lining up before the start, i noticed quite alot of the other runners had next to nothing in their bumbags, whereas mine was rammed with the kit requirements.

Could it be because we didnt get our kit checked that they decided they'd get away with leaving stuff behind.
It was quite a safe route in the sence that you unless your really unlucky, if you get into trouble there would be someone who would see you our find you so you shouldnt need to much stuff.

So i ask, do any of you leave some of the kit requirements behinf if you dont get checked?

i dont skimp on kit, never know when it may be needed

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Originally Posted by Darth domain

i dont skimp on kit, never know when it may be needed

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True, but there are less safety conscious people out there, do you think the runners i saw had 'skimped' on the kit because we didnt get checked, or will they generally be the sort of people who try to carry as little as possible.

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Originally Posted by Al Fowler

True, but there are less safety conscious people out there, do you think the runners i saw had 'skimped' on the kit because we didnt get checked, or will they generally be the sort of people who try to carry as little as possible.

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Good question, i'm not sure to tell you the truth, but you would be amazed how you can compact everything down so it looks like there's hardly anything in the bag. I think most would not guess that i had as much kit as i do in my bag. What did you have?

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Originally Posted by Al Fowler

i noticed quite alot of the other runners had next to nothing in their bumbags, whereas mine was rammed with the kit requirements.

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What were the kit requirements? The Roaches is a B category race so under FRA rules there is no mandatory kit and any kit required is purely at the discretion of the race organiser.

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Originally Posted by Al Fowler

After all this thread, at the Roaches yesturday lining up before the start, i noticed quite alot of the other runners had next to nothing in their bumbags, whereas mine was rammed with the kit requirements.

Could it be because we didnt get our kit checked that they decided they'd get away with leaving stuff behind.
It was quite a safe route in the sence that you unless your really unlucky, if you get into trouble there would be someone who would see you our find you so you shouldnt need to much stuff.

So i ask, do any of you leave some of the kit requirements behinf if you dont get checked?

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I don't but there are plenty who do I'm sure, there are also those that 'bend' the rules or go with a bare minimum, remember that a 'Kit requirement is a minimum requirement.

Now I don't want to wrap every one up in cotton wool and take the fun or adventure out of fell running but on some races you need to carry the kit required, ie OMM, HPM, Fellsman for a reason.

Whilst I was out today on Kinder one of the group was part of the committee for the RR50 and I made the point to him that last year there were competitors with out a waterproofs, hat or gloves, I know this because I handed mine out to some very sorry looking runners, thankfully all me gear was posted back with thanks but why would anyone venture out in winter to run 50 miles with out a waterproof:eek::mad:

let me assure any one on Tankies that I will be on Kit check and there will be a check, just as there was on the Edale Skyline.;)

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Originally Posted by Darth domain

i dont skimp on kit, never know when it may be needed

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Quite right too, the same runner from the RR50 told me never takes an extra top because he never gets cold whilst running (he's a very experienced vet ultra runner), but the 'extra' top is for when you are not or can't run! ........

for me it's just not worth it.

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Originally Posted by Darth domain

What did you have?

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I had waterproof jacket, trousers, compass, map, whistle, bit of first aid, gels, sandwich, drink, erm think that was it....and i was wearing my hat and gloves.

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Originally Posted by nobbut a lad

What were the kit requirements? The Roaches is a B category race so under FRA rules there is no mandatory kit and any kit required is purely at the discretion of the race organiser.

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From the Macclesfield website, i think it said something like general or standard kit requirements apply.

[QUOTE=Al Fowler;164285] sandwich
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Sandwich:eek::D It was a race not a picnic;)

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Sandwich:eek::D It was a race not a picnic;)

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Haha, well i thought i needed something other than gels, so a made a jam buttie before Em picked me up, squashed it to fit in my bumbag and munched it whilst i was having to walk with my cramp.
I wasnt intending to take it on the run, just eat it after...but daz h said "you'll need food out there today", so i thought i best take his advise.:D

well, at least yout had that extra bit of energy stuff, quite sensible IMO:D

I munch on nutrigrain bars during a long run and dextro tabs.

For Pendle I intend carrying in my bumbag:

Waterproof trousers (never worn)
Spare gloves
Compass
Spoggy CleM race map
Whistle
A packet of fruit pastiles (loose in a small freezer bag)
A lucozade sport
A small bottle of harrogate spring water
Nothing else

I'll wear either my waterproof or windproof depending on the weather and will have a small handful of fruit pastiles in that too. I'll probably wear gloves and a hat unless the weather is completely un-Pendle like, in which case my windproof will also be bumbag-ised.

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Originally Posted by Al Fowler

I had waterproof jacket, trousers, compass, map, whistle, bit of first aid, gels, sandwich, drink, erm think that was it....and i was wearing my hat and gloves.

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depends on the kit you have.
Some of the waterproof stuff packs down to very little.
I have a innov8 jacket and trousers. The jacket folds away to form a bum bag you can wear and just about fit trousers whistle and compass in as well.
Its a bit crap if you have to wear the jacket as the rest of the stuff bounces around in your pocket. :(

Does the windproof jacket need to have a hood? Have looked at the rules and it doesn't seem to specify this (that I can see).

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Originally Posted by Stolly

Waterproof trousers (never worn)

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Likewise, hopefully it'll stay that way I find them horrible things to run in.

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Originally Posted by davemac

Does the windproof jacket need to have a hood? Have looked at the rules and it doesn't seem to specify this (that I can see).

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My interpretation when full body cover is stipulated is if your jacket has a hood you don't need a hat and if not you do..............
You lose a high percentage of heat through your head so covering it up if stranded is wise.

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Originally Posted by davemac

Does the windproof jacket need to have a hood? Have looked at the rules and it doesn't seem to specify this (that I can see).

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Not neccessarily, full body cover is all most events ask for so if you have a hat (and you would be crazy to miss this piece of kit esp at this time of the year) then no. However a RO could ask for Jacket with Hood as per Edale Skyline last three years. Depends on venue and organisor. what ever the forecast I always go with a wind proof and my waterproof with Hood and make the descision just before the start.

Re waterproof pants, Only worn then in one race, last years Watershed. but carry them when out by myself.

Thanks for all the responses!!

The race I intend doing is an AM in December and on the information it states "that all runners should carry windproof body cover, map, compass and whistle." So I am assuming that they can't turn round on the day and ask for waterproof body cover?

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Originally Posted by davemac

Thanks for all the responses!!

The race I intend doing is an AM in December and on the information it states "that all runners should carry windproof body cover, map, compass and whistle." So I am assuming that they can't turn round on the day and ask for waterproof body cover?

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I would say that they can. what they are asking for is a minimum requirement. However you should also use your judgement. if they stick to windproof cover but it looks like being windy with rain-sleet over a high level course would you really stick to windproof, I wouldn't.

Thanks Ian,

I have a couple of problems/queries:
1. I don't have a waterproof jacket, only a cheap windproof one that has been OK for me so far.
2. I don't have windproof or waterproof trousers - was thinking of buying the Innov8 Mistlite or the Montane Featherlite, would I be better off buying waterproof trousers?

I am just getting in to fell running and won't be doing that many races a year so want to make sure I don't go over board with my spending.

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Originally Posted by davemac

Thanks Ian,

I have a couple of problems/queries:
1. I don't have a waterproof jacket, only a cheap windproof one that has been OK for me so far.
2. I don't have windproof or waterproof trousers - was thinking of buying the Innov8 Mistlite or the Montane Featherlite, would I be better off buying waterproof trousers?

I am just getting in to fell running and won't be doing that many races a year so want to make sure I don't go over board with my spending.

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Buy the best waterproof jacket you can afford and the cheapest waterproof trousers.
Its your life in the long run, and the kit is to help save it.

If budget is tight and you cannot afford much then get cheap taped seams waterproof trousers and a waterproof jacket with taped seams and a hood.

You will then have the body cover for pretty much any race you want to do.

My first set of waterproofs were £30 for jacket and trousers from TK Maxx so hardly breaking the bank.

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Originally Posted by davemac

Thanks Ian,

I have a couple of problems/queries:
1. I don't have a waterproof jacket, only a cheap windproof one that has been OK for me so far.
2. I don't have windproof or waterproof trousers - was thinking of buying the Innov8 Mistlite or the Montane Featherlite, would I be better off buying waterproof trousers?

I am just getting in to fell running and won't be doing that many races a year so want to make sure I don't go over board with my spending.

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No I'd go for a better waterproof top and buy a £6 cheepy waterproof O/T from a bargain shop. You'll hardly use the pants.

Beaten to it by Stagger and AJF

check out OMM forum for good discussions on kit and what to buy label wise and quality wise....after this years OMM it was a good reminder that skimping on kit is not a good idea...also, a few years ago in a local race there were loads of people - top end runners and others setting off in very cold and windy conditions in basic kit who sacked the race after first mile (of 13) as they hadn't got the right weather gear!

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Originally Posted by BLUEBIKE

check out OMM forum for good discussions on kit and what to buy label wise and quality wise....after this years OMM it was a good reminder that skimping on kit is not a good idea...also, a few years ago in a local race there were loads of people - top end runners and others setting off in very cold and windy conditions in basic kit who sacked the race after first mile (of 13) as they hadn't got the right weather gear!

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Mickleden??
I was sat on Wilfrey Edge, injury kept me out of race, for rescue team.
Snow was blowing up to us, it were great, WITH THE RIGHT GEAR.

Depends what type of race you plan on doing Davemac, and when it is in the year. Generally you will get away with a windproof cover but, as Bluebike says, look at the OMM conditions this year and think of the consequences if teams had skimped on gear.

Yes THAT race!! I remember all you MR folk in red tops with flasks!!!:)

Thanks again for the advice, have now sorted myself out with a montane jacket and Innov-8 trousers.

All I need to do now is keep my training up so that I am relatively fit!!