Wanted - Borrowdale fell entry

[QUOTE=Stolly;242546]Good point. Its almost certainly all my fault.

A told them that I'd run the route before (but was economic with the truth as to quite how I fared)

That says it all for me, backs your point its ok to lie and potentially be a liability

Re requirements for long races being over the top , that is a separate argument, the point here is, is it ok to lie, not everyone who does will have your level of experience and not least there is the issue of leapfrogging in those races with waiting lists.

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Originally Posted by Bobert

If i get an entry, i plan to email the organiser with my experience. If they say no, then fair enough. Don't plan to cheat or be dishonest. Never done borrowdale tho so not too sure how i'll do over this distance. Also will there be refreshments halfway round?

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Pimms and appetiser's just before halfway.

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Originally Posted by Bobert

If i get an entry, i plan to email the organiser with my experience. If they say no, then fair enough. Don't plan to cheat or be dishonest. Never done borrowdale tho so not too sure how i'll do over this distance. Also will there be refreshments halfway round?

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And you have checked that there is not a reserve list and people ahead of you in the queue for a number?

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Originally Posted by Antisocial

And you have checked that there is not a reserve list and people ahead of you in the queue for a number?

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Queues?

Oh, you're English!

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Originally Posted by Bobert

Queues?

Oh, you're English!

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foreign push in?

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Originally Posted by Antisocial

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Originally Posted by Stolly

Good point. Its almost certainly all my fault.

A told them that I'd run the route before (but was economic with the truth as to quite how I fared)

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That says it all for me, backs your point its ok to lie and potentially be a liability

Re requirements for long races being over the top , that is a separate argument, the point here is, is it ok to lie, not everyone who does will have your level of experience and not least there is the issue of leapfrogging in those races with waiting lists.

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Hey like I said I didn't lie. I told them that I'd run the route before which I had. And I wasn't a liability - I just checked back the results and I finished 344th out of 407 finishers with another 100 odd dnf-ing. 344th on the day out of 507 starters placed me comfortably within the race criteria I'd say.

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Originally Posted by Bobert

Also will there be refreshments halfway round?

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I think there's water at Honiston but thats it, other than what you carry or drink from streams on the way. I reckon the weather will be wet so drink shouldn't be too much of a problem.

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Originally Posted by Stolly

I think there's water at Honiston but thats it, other than what you carry or drink from streams on the way. I reckon the weather will be wet so drink shouldn't be too much of a problem.

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It's Honister Stolly, Honestly;)

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Originally Posted by merrylegs

Is there not a reserve list for Borrowdale like Ben Nevis, i had to pull out of that, contacted the organiser and my place was passed on to someone on that list who met the entry requirements, seems the best way to do things right.

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Originally Posted by Antisocial

Perhaps they could both disqualify the person who has taken the the number and ban the person giving away the number from the race in question in the future if they have breached the organisers rules?

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No reserve list event website says event is full but you can enter with a substitution along as the substitute can prove they meet the entry requirements on race day.

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Originally Posted by Stolly

Hey like I said I didn't lie. I told them that I'd run the route before which I had. And I wasn't a liability - I just checked back the results and I finished 344th out of 407 finishers with another 100 odd dnf-ing. 344th on the day out of 507 starters placed me comfortably within the race criteria I'd say.

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I meet all the requirement but not sure how fast I'll be, I've not done anything long for 6-7 weeks, aim to be in top third but who can tell;)

really looking forward to this now

be good to put a couple of names to faces at t'bash after - although I'd feel a bit of a prat wandering round going 'are you tussockface?' or whatnot

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Originally Posted by Stolly

Hey like I said I didn't lie. I told them that I'd run the route before which I had. And I wasn't a liability - I just checked back the results and I finished 344th out of 407 finishers with another 100 odd dnf-ing. 344th on the day out of 507 starters placed me comfortably within the race criteria I'd say.

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Ok - so define your statement "economical with the truth" a half lie?

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Originally Posted by merrylegs

It's Honister Stolly, Honestly;)

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:) You're so more 'honister' than me ML

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Originally Posted by Antisocial

Ok - so define your statement "economical with the truth" a half lie?

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No it was 100% true. I explained that I knew the route and had ran it before. They didn't actually ask me how 'well' I'd done it so I didn't have to tell them.

Anyway I'm bored with this. Maybe see you there Saturday Anti... well until you leave me for dust at the start that is.

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Originally Posted by Stolly

:) You're so more 'honister' than me ML



No it was 100% true. I explained that I knew the route and had ran it before. They didn't actually ask me how 'well' I'd done it so I didn't have to tell them.

Anyway I'm bored with this. Maybe see you there Saturday Anti... well until you leave me for dust at the start that is.

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Good - I win

Am not doing this as have just easing back in and though I meet the criteria I know my limits and would not try to a wing a race.

Does experience of several OMMs and LAMMs count towards the entry criteria ?

Otherwise I only have one fell race over 12 miles under my belt, a good few under 7 miles and regularly train over 10 mile runs.

....If so, anyone still got a ticket for this race going spare please ?

Cheers, Jim

I got one going begging

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Originally Posted by Sparky

Does experience of several OMMs and LAMMs count towards the entry criteria ?

Otherwise I only have one fell race over 12 miles under my belt, a good few under 7 miles and regularly train over 10 mile runs.

....If so, anyone still got a ticket for this race going spare please ?

Cheers, Jim

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Think you will struggle to be honest. This is stated for substitutions on the entry form:

(a) the substitute runner is able to demonstrate previous experience of long, arduous fell races and,
if he or she has not previously completed the Borrowdale Fell Race, he or she must have completed
at least two different category A or B long or two different category A medium fell races (race
categories as defined by the Fellrunners’ Association) since 1st January 2007
(b) the substitute runner must complete a Substitution Form at Race Registration on 1st August

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Am I missing something then? on FRs alone, reckon I qualify (never was good at rules though!):

Also my friend only has MM experience, all more than 12miles a day + lots of climbing. would that qualify?

Category “A”
a) Should average not less than 250' (76m) climb/mile (1.6k).
b) Should not have more than 20% of the race distance on road.
c) Should be at least one mile (1.6k) in length.
Category “B”
a) Should average not less than 125' (38m) climb/mile (1.6k).
b) Should not have more than 30% of the race distance on road.
DEFINITION THREE : RACE LENGTH CATEGORIES
a) A category “L” (long) race is twelve miles (19.3k) or over.
b) A category “M” (medium) race is six miles (9.6k) and over but under twelve (19.3k).
c) A category “S” (short) race is under six miles (9.6k).

advice appreciated :)

I have two numbers going for any last minute substitutions... anyone interested??

Email me asap!

Sorry it's so late, but apparently you can fill out substitution forms on the day

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Originally Posted by Sparky

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Am I missing something then? on FRs alone, reckon I qualify (never was good at rules though!):

Also my friend only has MM experience, all more than 12miles a day + lots of climbing. would that qualify?

Category “A”
a) Should average not less than 250' (76m) climb/mile (1.6k).
b) Should not have more than 20% of the race distance on road.
c) Should be at least one mile (1.6k) in length.
Category “B”
a) Should average not less than 125' (38m) climb/mile (1.6k).
b) Should not have more than 30% of the race distance on road.
DEFINITION THREE : RACE LENGTH CATEGORIES
a) A category “L” (long) race is twelve miles (19.3k) or over.
b) A category “M” (medium) race is six miles (9.6k) and over but under twelve (19.3k).
c) A category “S” (short) race is under six miles (9.6k).

advice appreciated :)

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Give it a try, no harm in trying. My mate stated a cat A long and the OMM as his experience and was rejected entry last year, but it was a champs counter. Your mate might struggle.

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Originally Posted by Bobert

Give it a try, no harm in trying. My mate stated a cat A long and the OMM as his experience and was rejected entry last year, but it was a champs counter. Your mate might struggle.

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Iain have you got an entry?

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Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak

Iain have you got an entry?

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Still nothing yet. Is the DPFR one going?

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Originally Posted by Bobert

Still nothing yet. Is the DPFR one going?

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I think so I'll email Dave.

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Originally Posted by Sparky

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advice appreciated :)

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My advice would be to phone Scoffer - then you'll know for certain.

does anyone want my place? - i thought i'd given it away but i hadn't.

I've got a place on offer if anyone needs one?

Knackered my ankle 6 weeks ago, so can't run yet. :(

I'm deffo going up to camp on Friday. PM me if you need a number & meet the entry criteria.

I also have an entry if anybody needs one - PM me if interested

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Originally Posted by YOY

I also have an entry if anybody needs one - PM me if interested

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Mmm.. I'll be home Friday from Cornwall, have been training on the coastal path down here so would be fit enough, I reckon. I'll run it past my boss over fish n chips this evening.:)

I have one, you can have it.
Lucas Payne call me 07747778278

t' th'organiser...to save all this "anyone want my entry coz it's a much 'arder race than I might've realised when I entered online" just revert back to "entry on the day".

Sorry, I forgot, there's loads more brass to be med by fillin' th'entries online...then when only 'alf the pre-entered runners turn up on the day it's easier to manage all round...plus there's a load o'spare brass to spend int'pub after:rolleyes:.

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Originally Posted by lucaspayne

I have one, you can have it.
Lucas Payne call me 07747778278

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'ave yer goosed yerself Lucas...ridin' 184 miles in one day!;)

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Originally Posted by wharfeego

Sorry, I forgot, there's loads more brass to be med by fillin' th'entries online...then when only 'alf the pre-entered runners turn up on the day it's easier to manage all round...plus there's a load o'spare brass to spend int'pub after:rolleyes:.

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'cept there i'n't no entry on line, jus' ' good old royal mail.
I think they call it equal opportunity or summat.

The fates have conspired against me and I shall not be able to use my entry. Anyone wishing to take my place please PM asap ensuring you meet the entry requirements.

First come first served!

can't use mine now either pm me if you meet entry requirements

Can I take your entry please Leeds rhino, I'll give you the cash when I next see you, eg probably somewhere in todmorden outside a pub in the cold, I think I should check the weather forecast before I post this, but what the heck hey, live a little!

yes you can have it. If you want to nip round I'll give you the actual form . Give me a ring 2481278


Dave

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Originally Posted by Bob the Dog

The fates have conspired against me and I shall not be able to use my entry. Anyone wishing to take my place please PM asap ensuring you meet the entry requirements.

First come first served!

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Hi there i am desperate for an entry to Borrowdale and willing to pay could you give me a ring on 01772 780636 i will get back asap if i miss you or 07775812459.

I have an entry that can be used for a substitution, PM me and I'll sort it. first come first served.