In this case (entering your last year's team) how do you know you are in?Quote:
Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
Yiannis
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In this case (entering your last year's team) how do you know you are in?Quote:
Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
Yiannis
We were third over all, My understanding is all class winners and first three get automatic entry. Happy to be corrected on this, If we don't make it I'll be out with the Rescue team as they are planning a night exercise some where on Howden/Bleaklow so we are in the area JIC!
i think thats correct Ian... first 3 team from each category get a place ... the rest of us have to sit and wait for our names to be pulled..
Quoting directly from the entry web site:
Its the 'half the places are reserved for those teams with the most HPM experience' thats the big unknown :)Quote:
After entries have closed, places will first be given to teams containing at least two members of the previous year's top 3 finishing teams in each category. Half the places are reserved for those teams with the most HPM experience. To decide the remaining places, a draw will be made from all entered teams not already accepted who have satified the organisers that they have the experience to compete safely in the event
On a technicality... :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
A bit Harsh Iain :) we were the third complete team to finish ? no technicality, It's a team race and and the team needs to stick together and finish together.Quote:
Originally Posted by IainR
Still sounding like a technicality..... :-)
Only joking, don't think he had much choice and had I been in that situation I'd have wanted the others to carry on. Had it been on Bleaklow or early on Kinder it would be different.
Anyway looking forwards to it, hope we get in. Always a good night. Be strange though we could be starting quite early and not chasing people down.
Aye. I'll be dustin off me rollerblades before long.
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Originally Posted by IainR
I'm sure you'll get in on your pedigree, as will the mighty Grouse, If Richard Starts you early he need his head examining! I think we might be further back this year with out Adam to beast us along, we'll still be looking for a top 10 though.
lets hope the CP are where the're suppose to be...!
Young Marko is flying too and it's bloody hard work at the best of time tryig to keep him in sight.
Grouse, at the moment I am only flying in the sense that I keep slipping on ice and injuring myself:thunbdown:
Well I am climbing the walls at the moment with me back out; I can run but the minute I stop it seizes up and it's a world of pain. Hope to be out at the weekend though - might get a few miles in and watch some of Gravy Pud en route, don't feel up to racing at the moment.
What you done to itQuote:
Originally Posted by Grouse
I did try to PM you but your bird box is full up
Slipped disc I think, it goes every now and then and takes a few days of stretches and swimming to get rid of it but I've never had it as bad as this.
My own pedigree is increasingly as a road runner...clinging to past glories....Grouse and Julian are super strong and if I can keep close to them to sunrise I'm happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
Should be a good HPM training run tomorrow..10-15 miles on Dartmoor...today was an 18 miler Lands end > Sennen then back to Penzance and it almost killed me....
Job interview in Plymouth....great job...shit location....
To put you all out of your misery here's a leaked entry list from an insider (me!). You should get official confirmation soon ( not my dept). Numbers is just entry order btw (Ian and the Nuns keen as ever). As you can see numbers go to 135! But in fact 96 confirmed entries for the 50 places available. So sorry to those missed out. Lottery is as fair as possible we think. This year even the Cudahey's didn't make it, laws of probability say they should walk in, they were just very unlucky and to get round HPM you need a lot of luck!
6 Nuns From Chinley
8 MDC
10 Calder Somnambulists
11 Plight of the Navigator
17 clayton cruisers
21 Carteghena Wolves
23 Ratio Vivendi
30 Goyt Valley Striders
32 3 Blind Mice & a Farmer's Wife
37 Team WAD
38 Spartans
40 Mahogany Ridge Fell Runners
45 Dark Peak Ladies
56 GO GIRLS
58 Unaccounted Four
59 gixerjunkies
61 Peperami Pacers
68 Bowline bog trotters
69 (Don't) Follow Thy Leader
71 Team Krypton
76 Kinderlowlife
78 Forgoodness Shakes
79 Pennine Casualties
80 Derby Tri (overnight stubbles)
81 Royces Rollers
82 High Peak Rollerbladers
85 Team Flapjack
88 Team Pot Noodle
89 The Eight Legged Groove Machine
90 Avon Mountain Athletes
93 Lost Lads
97 Team Campag
98 EnDuracell
99 NAV4 NFR
100 Team Accelerate
105 It's dark out isn't it
106 The Lost Boys
114 sleepmonsters
119 CONGLETON ROYCE HARRIERS
121 Calder Valley Girls
124 marathon-schmarathon
125 Lazy Pie Eaters
127 Little Feat
128 RUCKSACK CLUB VETS
129 Half Man Half Totley
132 Team Awesome
133 Westerlands and guest stars
134 Flipper's Gang
135 Average Joes
Dag nab it!! Looks like I'll be on the subs bench again.:thunbdown:
O' Flippen Eck'.....;)..
Another fun filled eve on Outer Edge....
With at least some of the usual supects!!
Thanks Filthy....
I think you have made me happy..
Guess we might even have snow again...:D!
Crap where in and on the top! :)
well i dont seem to be on that list... looks like no HPM for me next year...
anyone need a team mate ???? lol
Me neither :(
And I'm donald ducked if I'm going to join a team as a replacement again, having done that for the previous two years.
Didn't enter this year due to continuing injury.
But we were up on Bleaklow on Sunday, nice deep powder, took us over an hour to go a mile :)
A real disappointment as it would have been brilliant to run this event at least once as part of a proper team rather than a last minute hanger on. Thinking about it though I reckon that nowadays its statistically really difficult to get into the HPM. Their selection is based on the following criteria:Quote:
Brian,
Thank you for entering High Peak Marathon 2011. Unfortunately your entry for team The Bog Monster's Breakfast was not successful in the draw for the available places.
We had 96 entries for 40 places, which is the number restriction that the National Park Authority imposes on our event.
We appreciate the effort it takes to get a team together but please try again next year, your chances increase every time you enter, successfully or not.
This email has only been sent to team organisers. Therefore, please let the rest of your team know.
We wish you all the best for other events this winter and Good Luck with next year's entry.
Matt & Becca
HPM Co-ordinators 2011
and the High Marathon Committee
PS - if you are very keen and willing to join another team, please send us an email so we can pass your details to teams looking for replacements.
I'm not sure how many categories there are in the race but, from a quick glimpse of last year's results, there are at least 4 (V, M, L, MV). So any team with two of last years top three in each category could account for 12 of the teams entered (and feasibly as many as 24 although thats of course pretty unlikely). They then say that half the places (half of the rest?) are reserved for teams with the most HPM experience (what ever that means) and before you know it the lottery might potentially be for something like 10 team places. Okay my maths are almost certainly wrong and my assumptions take the worst possible view but if it was the case and 30 of the 40 team places were already taken up this year before they drew lots for the remaining places, given that 96 teams entered, our chances of getting in could have been as little as 10/66 or 15%.Quote:
After entries have closed, places will first be given to teams containing at least two members of the previous year's top 3 finishing teams in each category. Half the places are reserved for those teams with the most HPM experience. To decide the remaining places, a draw will be made from all entered teams not already accepted who have satified the organisers that they have the experience to compete safely in the event
I'm not knocking the process by the way and, having done the event twice, I can see why past 'experienced' teams will always want to run it and want to be up the pecking order to get in too. The organisers host a brilliant event and they can of course organise how the hell they want to. In the round though I can only see the lottery getting tighter and tighter year on year with the rest of us poor wallers having to be willing to fill gaps in other teams,as subs for drop outs. I had a poor experience last year running as a '200 yard back' tail end charlie in my 'team' which had been cobbled together at the last minute - after the event I found out I'd been running with a high temperature, a mild fever and an absyss on my top gum (which I only got to know about when it burst two days later - blurgh) but, even if I'd been on top of my game, two of the team will have wanted to have run faster than any speed I could muster and the same would have happened. It sure as heck isn't so much fun running a third of the distance all on your tod in the dark, over fabulously rugged terrain, in deep snow and only meeting up with your team mates at each checkpoint :).
I'm not 100% but I think only the top 3 plus winners of catogries get automatic entry. There was talk last year of changing selection to give more chance to fresh blood
Not quite as bad as you Stolly... i entered a full team last year and managed to get in first time.. did quite good finishing in 19th, entered the same team this year with one minor change.. and not succesfull.
i am willing to run in another team if a place becomes available, but fully understand that its not the same as having your own team. I now have a team that are disappointed at not getting in and have to try and find individual places for themselves.
theres always next year Stolly you never know...
Just throwing an idea into the ether, which won't make a blind bit of difference in 2011 for sure, but why not make the team size 3, rather than 4. That would allow for an extra 13 teams to enter and, given that there are always a fair few last minute drop outs, probably not disappoint so many potential runners. A team of 4 is harder to organise and hold together uninjured over the winter and surely 3 is as safe as 4?
Phil you utter bastards ;). I just looked up the results and you beat my team into 20th by the huge margin of 15 seconds last year :DQuote:
Originally Posted by philt1
If someone is injured then if you've got a 4, one person can stay with them while two go for help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stolly
With a 3, someone would be on their own.
Ha Ha sorry Stolly....15 seconds, just think if you hadnt stopped for that pee you would have beat us....
I agree a team of 4 is hard to organise and keep together so 3 would definately make it easier for us as we had one drop out last year last minute and had to find a new team member this year, but as Toreador said it certainly makes sense if someone was to get injured during the night..
Fair point buts its all conjecture - what if two people get injured or three or all four for that matter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Toreador
You could say that about any number. I'm thinking of a team of 160 for next year.;) I'll get to win and get automatic entryQuote:
Originally Posted by Stolly
4 is practical, if 2 get injured well tough you'll have to deal with it as the situation allows.
I was just answering your point that 3 is as safe as 4, I don't think it is. But you're right, 5 is probably safer still, and so on. Though at some point, increasing team size probably makes it less safe, due to slowing everyone down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stolly
OMG we're in! It'll be my first time....yikes!!
do i hear a recce coming on...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs Stagger
Yes please, I'm free on Sunday!
Except that safety must be compromised by the last minute team shuffling that always takes place in any event?Quote:
Originally Posted by Toreador
I may not be typical but the first time I did the HPM I joined a team 2 months before to replace an injured team member. Then, just before the event, two more of that team fell out but we fortunately obtained two last minute replacements. No big problems at the HPM itself but one team member did bonk big style going over Bleaklow and really didn't recover until we were on Kinder - maybe he'd been pushed harder than he'd have preferred by joining a hodge podge team? The second time I HPM'd last year, maybe a month before a team leader advertised for replacements for three of his team on the forum and three of us jumped at the chance; then one of our three jumped ship to another team just before the off (you know who you are ;)) meaning that another last minute replacement was found. At the off it was clear that our team had a wide spread in ability and, as it turned out, it was me that played drag anchor to the others all the way round.
Four member teams I appreciate are safer in terms of being able to look out for each other, especially for a team that all know each other and are of similar running ability. That safety though can be compromised by all the team shuffling that always inevitably happens. I suspect that a three member team might be a more stable group to get together and stay together in the first place and would certainly be easier to obtain known replacements for, rather than randoms.
Anyway just a thought. And sorry for dragging my whinge out even further; its just that I only enter a couple of events a year and to fail to get into 50% of them for 2011 is a tad disappointing :)
Well in theory a whole different team could start than the one that was entered.
Has anyone been up near Derwent/Howden/Bleaklow in the last day or so?
I'm thinking of doing a recce run on Saturday, if the snow's not too soft....
Belated reply to Stolly and others to explain event and hopefully relieve some frustration. First it's for teams of 4 because it's always been. Started in 1971 by the University Scout and Guide Association ( now called The High Peak Club) it follows the same format as scout walks ( 4 Inns etc). Interested in your comments about drop outs and safety, I see your point but we won't be changing it. Remember we allow teams to drop out before the event and give them a place for next year (and refund if not) precisely to avoid last minute cobbled together teams. We should advertise this more clearly perhaps.
Regarding the lottery for the first 30+ years it was the normal 'first come first served' on entries. We got the odd complaint from regular teams who weren't quick enough ( including past winners!). Then about 6 years ago we had 10 teams drop out at or before Moscar!! Which was silly. Basically we had a lot of novice teams who had entered quickly and let in because they looked experienced on paper but obviously weren't up to the HPM ( the weather wasn't bad). That was when we decided to do lottery based on past experience. System is each team member gets a ticket for every time they've entered HPM whether successful or not. I've compiled a database going back 10 years. Everyone is in the lottery, we don't actually reserve any places except for top 3 (this accounted for 10 teams this year, but we are thinking of reducing it to top 2). System just gives experienced teams a far greater chance of getting in. Every team gets 2 tickets (works better than just one we found). Teams who have entered 10 times between them get 12 tickets. So you'd have thought impossible for novice teams to get in? Not so! this year we have about 10 lucky novice (or almost novice) teams and of course some unlucky experienced teams. This system seems to produce a fair spread. I have also kept a record of people who keep entering unsuccessfully and we might in future give them a better chance if they continue to be unlucky. You won't be on this list because you got in another team anyway. As I said all entries get a ticket, not just the successful. So keep trying your luck will change, we think it's fair. It was a whole lost easier pre-internet when no-one except a few locals had heard of High Peak Marathon and to get in you had to know someone who knew someone etc.
Thanks filthy rich :)