post brexit

That's the whole point of democracy Mike. We all get to share the consequences of a plebiscite.....which is why some in a position of so-called authority seek to remove this right (because they know better!)

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Originally Posted by shaunaneto

You'll still be getting shafted, Westminster is far from a bastion of egalitarian piety. You'll just understand the meally mouthed shites easier on the news.

That said the whole bitter overtones (from both sides) is very unhealthy. Especially so if we enter a period of short term pain, which in this context us what, 10 years or so. The implications on people's lives of increased economic pressure go far beyond not affording a second holiday. We're talking about people falling into poverty, both relative and absolute, increased pressure breaking families and a rise in homelessness and suicide rates.

I can't imagine it's much fun being a non UK citizen at the minute with the Government using you as a bargaining chip (not that the EU is any better).

I see the city is threatening a significant departure!

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We're between a rock and a hard place, i think most of the brexit voters knew this. Nobody likes an alarmist, but i reckon we're sliding in the same direction whether we're in or out; the game just plays itself out slightly differently. The key benefit to being out is that in the event of a serious crash in the eurozone we have our closed border to protect us from the mayhem that will ensue. People will move to the last areas of prosperity in order to save themselves and their loved ones from the effects you describe, the UK is likely to be one of the last bastions. It's not just EU nationals we'll be taking in either, by that time it will probably be half of the Middle East and North Africa as people from those areas are already leaving in their droves. It's the beginning of a slow decline driven by overpopulation, climate change and resource depletion; the very same thing that finished off most of the other great civilisations.

I think it took me about 5yrs to come to terms with the fact that our civilisation, the greatest yet seen, is just as fragile as the ones that have come before it. We're arrogant, greedy and complacent by nature, and it will cost us dearly just as it cost everyone else. I think a hard Brexit will be a key thing in softening the blow long term; short term- all the cutting back, economising, budgeting and surviving we'll be doing will be good for us, because we'll probably end up being glad of the practice one day.

I don't get it, why so much fuss about what she said at Goldman-Sachs? She said Brexit was going to be bad for the UK economy. Now this has been "leaked" and triggered much noise. Hang on a sec, she never stated she was pro-Brexit, she always officially stated she was agains Brexit. So how is her statement at GS different than her official position...?
OK, she is PM now, and she must/will implent Brexit. That does not mean she likes it or she thinks is a ogod thing.....

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Originally Posted by Gambatte

I don't get it, why so much fuss about what she said at Goldman-Sachs? She said Brexit was going to be bad for the UK economy. Now this has been "leaked" and triggered much noise. Hang on a sec, she never stated she was pro-Brexit, she always officially stated she was agains Brexit. So how is her statement at GS different than her official position...?
OK, she is PM now, and she must/will implent Brexit. That does not mean she likes it or she thinks is a ogod thing.....

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Yes, and she is doing what David Cameron (should be /) said he was going to do. Her opinion is no more valid, or invalid, than anyone else's.

Must go over to England next year to do a run.

I've never competed outside Europe...

Make it quick. We'll be shut down soon. What a mess

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Originally Posted by Conor74

Must go over to England next year to do a run.

I've never competed outside Europe...

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No way, when do we haul up the anchor and where are we sailing to? I'd be happy to see us drift north so we get some proper winters!

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Originally Posted by mr brightside

We're between a rock and a hard place, i think most of the brexit voters knew this. Nobody likes an alarmist, but i reckon we're sliding in the same direction whether we're in or out; the game just plays itself out slightly differently. The key benefit to being out is that in the event of a serious crash in the eurozone we have our closed border to protect us from the mayhem that will ensue. People will move to the last areas of prosperity in order to save themselves and their loved ones from the effects you describe, the UK is likely to be one of the last bastions. It's not just EU nationals we'll be taking in either, by that time it will probably be half of the Middle East and North Africa as people from those areas are already leaving in their droves. It's the beginning of a slow decline driven by overpopulation, climate change and resource depletion; the very same thing that finished off most of the other great civilisations.

I think it took me about 5yrs to come to terms with the fact that our civilisation, the greatest yet seen, is just as fragile as the ones that have come before it. We're arrogant, greedy and complacent by nature, and it will cost us dearly just as it cost everyone else. I think a hard Brexit will be a key thing in softening the blow long term; short term- all the cutting back, economising, budgeting and surviving we'll be doing will be good for us, because we'll probably end up being glad of the practice one day.

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If it all went proper tits up in the EU, wed have a closed border fairly quickly. Although if we can't stop them crossing the Med well not stop them crossing the channel.

All civilisations fail, the challenge for us is to not be around when it happens. There's a good chance on a damp squib fizzle out rather than a cataclysm.

Oh, I see Nissan have been told to expect tariff free trading. Be interesting to see how that pans out, can't really see just the automotive industry getting that in isolation.

And that would have wider implications.

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Originally Posted by shaunaneto

Oh, I see Nissan have been told to expect tariff free trading. Be interesting to see how that pans out, can't really see just the automotive industry getting that in isolation.

And that would have wider implications.

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with 7000 jobs at stake so what