First leg amputee and first frontal lobotomy patient...I can't believe I missed the entry date. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by dominion
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First leg amputee and first frontal lobotomy patient...I can't believe I missed the entry date. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by dominion
Dear GrahamBQuote:
Originally Posted by GrahamB
Oops how embarrassing - must have confused you with my father-in-law! :o
I'm still up tight about not getting an entry, but ...
... I've just got home from a Cumbria League X-country race in Maryport, where there must have been 20 of us in the Senior Race. It wasn't very hilly but we enjoyed four muddy laps round the playing fields, there were people entering with 5 minutes to go before the start, lots of primary school kids running, and all for £1.50.
Seeing the effort that people (like Brampton's Noel Hakeman) put into organising races like the one today put the PPP fiasco into perspective. I still think that the organising team have handled the entry system badly, but I'm sure it was done in good faith. They invest a lot of time and effort into making the race the annual highlight that it is, so who am I to complain?
blen wot ever u name wot has your last post got to do with 3 peaks
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Hi,Quote:
Originally Posted by blencathrafrommykitchen
I know most of the organising team very well (I was a member for a year or two building up to the 50th Anniv) and I have the utmost respect for people like Dave Hodgson, Wendy Dodds, Bill Wade, Bryan Speight, etc. These people know and have done it all.
I am sure they are stunned that the PPP has filled so quickly.
I am also sure that elite athletes will not be punished because they did not get through the window eg Angela Mudge is the greatest mountain runner to emerge from the British Isles and is currently running the Everest marathon. I really doubt the PPP organisers will turn her away if she wants to run?
And if they do she can have my place.
GrahamB
The PPP organisers do a great job and were probably as suprised as everyone else about how quickly the entries filled up. I'm sure they will not be turning any elite athletes away that missed the online entry system. Given that this is such a big event next year maybe they should have allocated so many places for elite athletes, so many places for online entries e.g. first 250 places and then the rest through the standard postal system. However I'm not complaining they filled up very quickly and I'm sure it is going to be a fantastic day. Good luck to everyone that has got a place!!!
Or mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrahamB
Can someone explain why its £20?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Epocian
Thought £10 for Tanky's was a lot for a fell race.
Hi PBQuote:
Originally Posted by PlumBum
I understand that they have to subsidise over seas visitors, provide accommadation etc, prices should return next year I hope.
Waiting list informationQuote:
Originally Posted by brett
Glad to hear it - although I am chuffed to bits to get in - I would hate to feel I had deprived a long term runner from getting in just because I was quick off the draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feet in the Cowclaps
This should allow all the regulars and past winners to get in.
Just sent my begging e-mail!
Good luck everybody!
But make sure you finish to avoid wise ass remarks from the sour unentereds.
I know many did not get on this but i did, but my operation date has come through for the 1st of February 2008, i will be on crutches for 2 weeks not allowed to run for 6 weeks after.
Much as i would love to do this i won't be able, do i tell the organisers or swap/sell/give/auction with some body on here??
I would prefer somebody off here to have it??
Wait until after the op Steve. I hope it goes ahead as planned but if it did get delayed you might want to run the race. I'm sure you will get a lot of takers if you decide to swap it in March.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amex
Hi I`ve entered the 3peaks race this year and would like to get a copy of a map with the course on. As I live in devon training on the course is impossible but as i live 1 mile off dartmoor I would like to try to replicate some of the course thanks Rich
This link is really useful 3 Peaks description and course profile but also buy the Yorkshire Dales Southern & Western 1:25000 scale OS map and look to transcribe the course onto it. This link from the 3 Peaks web site is good too 3 Peaks web siteQuote:
Originally Posted by R Ayson
Replicating the climb up Whernside will be difficult ;)
Hi thanks for the advice.I new that I wouldn`t replicate the biggest climbs but the profile maps will help alot.Must admit I`m really looking forward to this race .There are 5 of us coming up from our club(erme valley harriers) Hopefully we won`t disgrace ourselfs and all finish.
As a general question apart from the climbs is most of the course runnable .We tend to do most of our training on open moorland not on tracks with lots of long climbs rather thah very steep scrambles.Although there are a few out of some of the river valleys
I would appreciate anyones personel views on the race and any experiences which might help or open my eyes to what to expect. All the best Rich
My two penneth
The peaks does not really contain any scrambles, indeed it is all quite runable depending on how fit you are. The only steep bit where hands may be needed is the last couple hundred foot of Whernside. As for terrain most of it is on paths, there are only two sections over moorland and it is not particularly rough - over Whiber Hill to Sell Gill cave and the drag up the front of Whernside.
The course really isn't that bad, although the weather can soon make feel bad - that is the biggest factor for the Peaks race I think.
I know it well as I live in the middle of them!
hope it helps.
And something else worth mentioning...
Don't think you've cracked once you've summited Ingleborough, the run into Horton is a long drag on a very knobbly path. If your legs are goofed at the top it will be hard work for you, many runners have lost serious time here and also been injured (falls and strained ankles usually) so be warned, save some gas in the tank!
It is worthwhile practicing some runs in bad weather as well, just so you know how to cope best when it is wet and wild - for some reason I get my best finishes on the Peaks when it is a howler!
Cheers
...and prepare yourself for serious cramp any time from the Whernside ascent onwards.
P.S. Have a look at last Year's thread for more on cramp http://forum.fellrunner.org.uk/showt...ree+peaks+race
read the thread sounds fun!!!
Down here in deepest devon the nearest we have to this is a race called Grizzly ,a 21 off roarer with @ 3500 ft up and down the cliffs on the coast and I remember getting cramp around here so I suppose I had better prepare for the worst .
the more I read about this race the more I m looking forward to the challenge.
Some one tried to talk me in to doing the Grizzly whilst doing the Axe to Exe, he said it was very similar, no big hills just lots of them.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by R Ayson
The trouble with the climb up Whernside isn't the height of the climb at all - its the sheerness of it. One of the most impressive sights you can see in this race (especially from the nearer the back than the front perspective that I get) is the snake of runners going all the way to the top of Whernside before you. You start off this ascent in boggy moor land that undulates to begin with but then starts to steepen, steepen more and then for the last 2 or 300 feet steepen so that you couldn't imagine it being any steeper.Quote:
Originally Posted by R Ayson
I've run the longer loop to the top of Whernside used by the 3 peaks walkers and have never got cramp at the summit - going straight up 'route one', as you do in the race, I've never yet not had crippling cramp at the top :D .
Couldn't agree more with that Stolly. I've said this on this forum before - i've done longer races and races with more climb than the 3P, but this is the one where cramp is a killer. Once it sets in, on the way up Whernside, I get it for the rest of the race. Downhill and flat is fine(ish), but any ascent and the calves lock up. Hopefully, more milage in the run up to the race and softer shoes might help out, but I doubt it :confused:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stolly
Cramp! Real or in the mind? I did the 3P in 1985, 1986 and 2007, and the dreaded calf cramps set in at exactly the same point going along the top of Whernside on each occasion. I shall now be so expecting them this year that if they haven't set in by fifty yards further on the legs will seize up anyway with the shock.
Mmm... I always seem to get cramp based on time on my feet, i.e. about 2 to 2.5 hr mark. it comes on quicker with steep climbs like full tour of pendle last nov. (after 1.5 hrs) ouch, not looking forward to the 2hr mark (and whernside) on this race. I have used Ibulieve gel and it did seem to keep it off for periods but its still present, especially after the climb.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrahamA
I aim to get more mileage and ascents completed before the race, probably won't iliminate it but its worth a try eh.
I also aim to reccy it (as close as permitted) sometime in Feb.
must admit that generally don`t suffer to much with cramp BUT I`ve never raced in a fell race longer than 11 miles so the jurys out(and waiting no doubt!!) on when it might strike.
Just out of intrest as I have no idea of the course is 4 hrs a realistic target for a finishing time or should I just concentriate on finishing.
My off road mara time is 3.15 although there was less than 1000ft of climbing so not really a good conparison .
Absolutely agree with the comments by Real Ale Man, Stolly and Crowhill.
The stiles on the run-in can also be difficult when your calves are knotting with cramp. Even worse, I struggled to get up the pavilion steps to my cuppa at the end...
As for time, see how you go, especially if most of your experience is on road.
Why not aim for 4 and half hours? You can always speed up in the later stages if you've still got spring in your legs :D
The surest way of having a miserable time is to go off too quickly and pay for it later. One danger (especially for a road runner) is to take the long flat stretch to Ribblehead as if doing a 10 miler. Ten minutes gained on this section can cost you half an hour later.
If you go to the website and look up last years split times that may give you some ideas but see how slow some runners are up the first hill but come in in a fast time. These are the smart runners in my book. It's a big race with big runners and you do get dragged along at the start. Stay smart and go slower up the first hill you will catch alot of runners later.Quote:
Originally Posted by R Ayson
I agree TF I also believe this is one of the reasons for so much cramp at the top of Whernside, it's so flat and firm you can get a good pace going then OMG there is a wall in front of you called Whernside:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tussockface
I believe the race for mortals starts at the top of Whernside, still plenty of running to do plus a big climb and that loooooonnnnnnngggg run off Ingleborough.
I'd add 45 minutes to your off road marathon time for sure especially on a warm day and, then, anything back from that target is a win. Dehydration on a warm or hot day is a big problem so carrying the right amount of liquid (for you), even though there are two water stations, becomes crucial. When I ran in April I really was'nt race fit. It wasn't especially hot that day other than in the valleys but I was in a dreadful state at the end. Cramps in my calves, cramps above the knees but worse than all that what I'd best describe as full body cramps making moving (and not moving) extremely painful. It took me a full 15 minutes to bend sufficiently to get in my car after the race.Quote:
Originally Posted by R Ayson
I've since been told that these body cramps (think "is an alien just about to bite itself out from the inside through my ribs, back, chest and stomach") were caused by dehydration. Certainly there's usually a few runners on drips with the paramedics at the end.
This year I'm hoping for wet and miserable weather to be honest :)
I've had the dreaded cramps each time I've done it. Always coming off Inglebugger. Makes the last 5 miles a torment. Two years ago I got cramp in my calves if I ran too quickly and cramp on my inner thighs! if I went too slowly ! Horrible.
So much good advice given by everyone before me.
Dont Set off too quick. 45 mins up Whernside is not too slow !
Dont race to Whernside when the terrain flattens out. You will pay for it.
Take plenty fluid and gels/bars. Get them down your neck as soon as you can.
Whernside.......dont look up !
Base of Inglebugger is awful across the boards and steps. Then the steep climb. When that is finish you still have another 5 mins to go to summit.
Run back to Horton takes an age, but if you have saved any energy you will make more time up there than anywhere.
And finally if you are anything like the hundreds of other forumites then you will be great at giving advice and crap at heeding any !!!
Just go and enjoy it, run your race and then next year you will be able to post your advice on here for other 'virgins' to ignore. !!!!:D
Brilliant :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Denzil
Well, at least there is one thing certain to look forward to... the cramps! Arrgghh!!!
well that just about clears that up,top advice .
What really has impressed me is the fact that no one says that they havn`t enjoyed themselves.I like it the `what the hell it s going to hurt ,bring it on `attitude.
Have decided to set myself a 4 hr target with an easier climb at the start and push the end rather than the start(sound advice)
one small P>S for tussockface .I`m a off road runner not a road runner.Although we haven`t got any true fells in sunny Devon my heart is there when I enviously read my fellrunner .You`d be plesently surprised how many off roaders there are down here (not too many with big climbs though although we do try to find some) all the best Rich
Many apologies R Ayson. I can offer no excuse for my failure to read the significant word "off" in your posting, other than needing an eye test and being an eejit. Yes, go for the four hour target! Good luck, and I'll be supporting you from about an hour behind.
I ran 4:08:35 last year, and was happy with my pacing other than a slow ascent of Ingleborough due to cramp, and a slow last mile or so. Having said that I took a load of places on the first part of the IngleB descent - maybe I shouldn't have gone quite so fast there!
I agree with the comments about making a fairly slow start. My suggestion would be to base your target pace on the splits of someone who finished in about your target time, but who ran a fairly slow first half. It's easier said than done though!
Also, come and run the Edale Skyline on 30th March - similar distance, similar total climb, not so much road though.
You can do this by identifying a few people who fit the bill - based on last year's published results - and make a list of them. You then check this year's entry list and if they're there, memorise their numbers. On the day, you mill about at the start, find them, and stalk them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin
Creepy but usually effective.
The main problem is that they might be top runners who were injured last year and just jogged round, in which case you'll be wearing your eyeballs as jewellery by PYG summit. :D
Well I'm just off on a 3 peaks solo jaunt......... despite reading back through this thread and suffering the heeby jeebies, flashbacks etc :) .
will have to get my stalking gear on and check people out fri night ,as we`re all coming up fri to camp it up . looking forward to the party sat night (don`t need too many tips on this ) quite capable of making a tit of myself post race!!!
What shoes do you all recommend? for this race.