Mudclaw 270 for me. You'll never hear a bad word from me about the Inov-8 :closed:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tussockface
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Mudclaw 270 for me. You'll never hear a bad word from me about the Inov-8 :closed:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tussockface
Neither. These are perfect conditions for barefoot running.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tussockface
This does not constitute offical kit advice.:wink: The organiser has been drinking.
So have some of the runners. This does not constitute official training advice.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by jellybabyfairy
Trail Shoes:closed:Quote:
Originally Posted by Derby Tup
Av a good un DT and all you Troggers:thumbup:
Bit of ice damage (James just after CP7)
http://adyinaccy.smugmug.com/Other/M...2/shins-X2.jpg
horrible
James Logue & Nicky Spinks take the honours. Well done to all, tough underfoot conditions.
What can I say this is probably the best organised event of the year, thanks to all the people who made it possible, free `T` free Tea, soup and cakes it was worth all the pain just for the goodies at the finish.
Thankyou once again.
That wasn't a fell race it was survival. After my mate fell badly on ice we just bumbled round slowly- it wasn't worth risking a serious injury!
The first and the last hour were great but the luge/farm track section was pure evil, even the grass was slippy!!!!! Still enjoyed it though thanks to all who made it happen.
I just wanted to say thankyou to everyone who turned up today for showing such good judgement. The one sprained ankle that needed assistance could just as easily have happened under other conditions, and those of you who tumbled seemed to accept it as part of what you'd signed up to. Special thanks to those who gave up their challenge to help the injured ankle off the moor, and to all the marshals who made sure everyone was accounted for.
Even as the race was underway I was still questioning whether I had made the right call in going ahead with the race. And still now: Did I make the right decision, or the decision I wanted to make? Hmm... On balance, I think it was the right choice, but only because everyone else made the right choices too. So I'm glad you all had the chance to take on the challenge, and even more glad that you've shown that individuals can make good judgements and allow events to go ahead in less than ideal circumstances. There's no way I would have sent a relay off over the same course today, as I think the pressure of letting a team down would have pressured people into taking part against their better judgement. So right call for the PBW, hopefully you agree right call for the Trog. Or maybe if you're nursing your bruised bottom you disagree?
Thanks again to all. For me that really was what fell running is about today.
summary of results and some pics of this race and the carnethy 5 today
http://fellrunningbriefs.blogspot.com/2012/02/final-score-with-gabby-logan.html
results of wadsworth trog are on cvfr site - http://www.cvfr.co.uk/wp-content/upl...Trog-20122.pdf
That was my injured ankle that jbf mentions and I agree completely that allowing the race to go ahead was the right decision. The tumble I took could have happened in other conditions and up to that point I was having a great time. Getting across to Cock Hill seemed easier than wading through the bog to get there last year.Quote:
I just wanted to say thankyou to everyone who turned up today for showing such good judgement. The one sprained ankle that needed assistance could just as easily have happened under other conditions, and those of you who tumbled seemed to accept it as part of what you'd signed up to. Special thanks to those who gave up their challenge to help the injured ankle off the moor, and to all the marshals who made sure everyone was accounted for.
Even as the race was underway I was still questioning whether I had made the right call in going ahead with the race, but now it's all over I think I'm glad I let you all have the chance to take on the challenge, and even more glad that you've shown that inidividuals can make good judgements and allow events to go ahead in less than ideal circumstances. There's no way I would have sent a relay off over the same course today, as I think the pressure of letting a team down would have pressured people into taking part against their better judgement. So right call for the PBW, hopefully you agree right call for the Trog. Or maybe if you're nursing your bruised bottom you disagree?
Thanks again to all. For me that really was what fell running is about today.
Many, many thanks to Bob the Dog, Johnny & Pete who gave up their races to help me get down to Walshaw dam. Bob in particular having made the trek from Edinburgh must have been disappointed but there was never any complaint from any of them. Thanks too to Clare for driving up to pick me up & also to the runners who offered ibuprofen and bandages as they passed.
At checkpoint 5 I heard someone ask himself plaintively "Why am I doing this?" I think the knowledge that any runner on the course today would have done what Bob, Johnny and Pete did is very much a part of why I'm doing this. Not today though - elevation of the ankle is needed and, look, there's rugby on TV.
Thanks again to jbf for the race organisation and all those who offered their help.
Pics of the winners, James & Nicky below. Full set on Sportsunday site. I have a dancing on ice shot of a couple of forumites I will post later!
http://adyinaccy.smugmug.com/Other/M...0/X2/f1-X2.jpg
http://adyinaccy.smugmug.com/Other/M...0/X2/m1-X2.jpg
Thank you to Hannah and the team for an excellent day out!
The conditions were challenging but, as Hannah points out, that's what it's all about; it's not parkrun.
I'm so glad that this race was able to go ahead (and not just because i did well myself) the bad weather alterations were sensible and the verbal advice at the start was clear and definite. I took a few tumbles myself (my shins look worse than James' do!) but I was having a great time too!
My favourite bit was the descent off Withins Heights, down to the Reservoir; I chased an excellent descender from Middleton all the way down and I'm pretty sure it was the fastest part of my race!
Worst bit; huge cartwheel at the top of the cow field before deciding that maybe that section wasn't as runnable as I'd thought; glad it was all frozen solid!
Thanks again to everyone involved; from the ladies dishing out soup and cakes to the frozen marshalls up at Cockhill. This is what fellrunning is all about, long may it continue.
Thanks to RO and marshals for excellent and friendly organisation.:thumbup: I simply confirmed that I'm no ice-runner! I've never finished so close to the back. I actually don't mind being out in those conditions they just seem to slow me down more than most. Still JBF, it was, in my opinion, the right decision to go ahead with the race - you did give us ample warning of what it was like out there (thank you for taking the trouble to do that yesterday, it made a difference). Anyone got any ideas how to stave off the back-shoulder stiffness that I anticiapte may set in tomorrow in reaction to landing on my back once or twice?
I see several DNF's in the results - coincidentally people I know - and they're not answering their phone. No serious injuries today were there?
The worst was Chris Cavey from Heptonstall - he had the bad ankle, plus 3 other DNFs are from helping him. There were plenty of other bruises, but of the other DNFs I think they all just decided after a fall or two that the conditions were too poor and not worth risking a worse injury than a bruised bum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martyn P
Thanks for letting the Trog go ahead JBF :thumbup:
That new finish section (normally the start section) felt just as difficult as the normal finish section to me. I had a couple of tumbles but bounced back up. A very big thank-you to all the marshalls round the course as well who stood out in that cold. It was the first time I have had to break the ice on a drink at a checkpoint drinks station before :D
Excellent race today, you did make to the right call JBF and I was mightily impressed by your organisational skills. Did quite well for a newbie, 4 hours 15 and chuffed with that:thumbup:
Saw the poor bloke being helped down to the dam, considered stopping to help but there were four people with him already, hope you get better soon bud!
The only bits I didn't enjoy were the long sheet ice stretches on the moors and the path up from the waterfall - you could easily have bobsleighed down that!
I also appear to be the only runner who managed to find a section of bog that sank me up to mid thigh -it was COLD:w00t:
Tussockface- was great to meet you in the flesh, see you at the Hobble.
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Originally Posted by hurrier
Chris
Just back home in Tropical Scotland (6 degrees c)! Assuming you didn't send your post from a hospital bed and so it is not worse than a nasty sprain. Happy to be of what assistance I could and that you'll be back out running again before too long (hopefully the ice will have melted by then).
Hannah
100% right decision - you changed the course to take account of the conditions and gave everyone fair warning. What I experienced was nothing but good humour and people relishing the challenge and being sensible + the ride back in Claire's car from the dam at Walshaw will certainly rank as my fastest finish to a race as well as my proudest DNF!!! Enjoy your beer tonight, I know I will !!
See you all in 2013 !
Thanks for that. I just caught up with one of them and they confirmed more or less what you said above. Sounds like an interesting day ..Quote:
Originally Posted by jellybabyfairy
Echoing some of the prev posts: thanks for a brilliant day out, organisation was fantastic! Thanks to hannah, marshals and catering team afterwards! Had a shocker today, with 'internal issues' followed by a nasty fall, never been this far back in the field! All good though, really enjoyed it, but will have to come back next years cos I didn't manage to see anything of course and area! Thanks again!
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Originally Posted by hurrier
Glad to hear you made it home safely Hurrier - remember "RICE" rest, elevation, compression?, ice - mmmm....where can you find some ice?
We need you for the Mag7 on 26th - speedy recovery!
Hope you are OK Hanno, It looks like it was an interesting day out.Quote:
Originally Posted by dutch peaks
Not a lot to add to everyone else's comments. The course was runnable and the organisation was brilliant. Great to see loads of friends out and meet one or two new ones too :thumbup:
The run round the cricket pitch never gets any easier, especially when you think you have cunningly avoided it :closed:
Oh and thanks Manhar for the Jaffa Cakes :))
I don't think you are taking this Overweight to Race weight thread seriously!Quote:
Originally Posted by Derby Tup
Incorrect. I only had a pair :closed:Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
Interesting that a number of people comment they've never been as far back in a race .... I'll never be further back. :o
When I thawed out, I discovered that my falls had left me so battered and bruised, that if I lie down I'm unable to push myself up again.
But the challenge is part of the weird attraction, isn't it? To take up a theme from an earlier post, no-one expected or wanted a park run. If you run in exposed places on ice, you'll get cold and you'll probably fall over.
I really enjoyed today and glad it went ahead. I thought the start and finish were better than the original because of the reduction in road.
I wonder how many had read of the alteration to the start and the possible bottleneck at the stile.Quote:
Originally Posted by shughoppy
I had; hence legged up the first section and didn't have long to wait, I wonder what it was like further back?
If this start is used again, I can envisage a mass scramble, similar to the Moors and Tors race.
I agree that the finish was better, although having seen the lane next to the cricket club before the start I couldn't believe we were going to run up it. After the rest of the race though, it seemed positively tame!
A fine day out, thanks so much to all who organised, stood freezing at the CPs and catered back at club. I'm black and blue and crippled from the nose down this morning as I suspect are many others. There was a great atmosphere of people looking after each other out on the hill. I'm wondering if microspikes could have knocked a big chunk off the time for the middle section and justified the faff and the weight - I'd have had them on sure if on a normal day out by myself. Good to catch up with DT and Ed and to meet up with Ricardo. Splendid start to the seasonP x
Agree with all the votes of thanks to organiser, marshals, helpers.
Thanks also to Andy, Raj and Elise for waiting for me on several occasions. It made the slog back from Cock Hill less lonely!
Unable to extend my arm this morning and so have no future as a Nazi.
Dancing on ice with DT, Tussockface and a Tod runner (not Elise - she was off up the hill whilst this mincing was taking place)
http://adyinaccy.smugmug.com/Other/M...2/sepia-X2.jpg
Torvill and Dean Pah! Tussock and Derby gets my vote:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ady In Accy
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Yep, if you want a load of Boleros, we're the couple you need.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevefoster
I have to admit that DT's skater's stance is most impressive as he launches into that glide.
Almost all the comments I have read have praised the organisers for allowing the race to go ahead. The prevailing sentiment seems to be one of "we're all grown ups and we're all responsible for our own safety and can make our own decisions about whether or not to run". While I'd agree with all of this I think there is a further consideration.
When Chris turned his ankle in the race yesterday it seemed like he could hardly have picked a worse place. He was several miles from a road, had no chance of a mobile phone signal and was surrounded by some treacherous conditions (well done if you didn't fall over - I had several tumbles). Chris was a couple of minutes ahead of me in the race and yet by the time I caught up with him he was leaning on the shoulders of two runners (John and Johnny) and had started his painfully slow hobble towards the Walshaw Dean reservoirs. Some runners had already been instructed to run on to the marshals at Walshaw and send help. Other runners stopped and provided bandages and painkillers and none went past without checking to see if there was any way they could help.
Now consider what might have happened had the race been cancelled. Some of us might have stayed under the duvet but most would have headed out for a run across the moors anyway. And, having originally planned on doing The Trog, quite a few of us would have made it into a long run. We would have been in groups, some bigger some smaller and few of us would have been out on our own. While some may have attempted the route of The Trog, most would have wandered off on any number of routes. Canceling the race would not have prevented many of us from running. Imagine the consequences of one of us coming a cropper under those circumstances. How many other people would be around to help with an injury? Who would runners go and get help from if they left a friend on the moors? It would have been a far more difficult situation.
So, by making the decision to go ahead with the race, the organisers gave us all a relatively safe environment in which to participate. Take part in a fell race in extreme conditions and yes, you do need to be sure that your equipment, fitness and navigation is up to the challenge. But you can also be confident that if things do go wrong, you've got far more chance of getting assistance than if you just head out on your own. All the runners around you are willing to give assistance, marshals are keeping track of numbers and are on standby to leap into action following reports of an injury.
Rather than putting people at risk by going ahead with the race, I would argue that the organisers actually reduced the chances of one of us becoming a serious casualty. Well done and many thanks to them for making the decision they did.
Lost Property...
Found:
SIS Waterbottle
Cliff Shot Waterbottle
Grey Striped Hat
1 crampon/yaktrack thingy: spring and yellow spike variety
Ronhill windproof trousers
Black baselayer
Black shorts
Blue puma pants
Towel
Ultra Active pants (I don't know why, but this name makes me giggle childishly)
1 icebreaker glove
Reported missing, but not handed to me - these are all (?!) desireable items, so if you've found them please don't be tempted to keep them! And if you're out on the route, please keep your eyes open for them.
Noonstone buff
Leeds FC hat
Montane jacket in stuff sack
PM me if you want your stuff!
All washable items now freshly laundered, so don't be shy about claiming back those pants!
Not so sure about the Leeds hat........ :p
I don't think these photos from the Trog have made it on to the forum yet have they? - sorry if someone has already linked them -
http://www.villa-verde.de/trog2012/
I really like this one - Jonny Morgan and James Logue prove there's always more than one way to skin a cat! http://www.villa-verde.de/trog2012/c...dit_large.html