Brexit

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Originally Posted by Dave_Mole

They reported the actual words of the actual president.
Now there's a different president things might have changed.
Or they might not have done. Who knows? Trump doesn't even know.

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There’s a bit more to it than that. Obama said the words at a joint press conference with David Cameron during the referendum campaign. You don’t think they influenced him at all? They may even have fed him the actual line about being “back of the queue”. An American is more likely to say “back of the line”.

It was also a claim Obama couldn’t possibly make with any certainty since he wouldn’t be the US president when Britain left the EU. In reality once we had left why wouldn’t the USA want to do a trade deal with its closest ally (irrespective of the administration) when it has done with Canada and Australia?

@WP I agree aggressor doesn’t have to mean a military intervention however when peppered with references to marching on the Rhineland or Vichy then the inference is clear.

I don’t know about the cases you have referred to so will investigate them. Is there a possibility that corporate (bad) behaviour is being aligned to the EU as an entity?

There has been a tendency in the UK to implement to their fullest extent EU treaties whereas other countries take a more partial approach. This too drives a perception of unfairness.

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Originally Posted by RichA

There has been a tendency in the UK to implement to their fullest extent EU treaties whereas other countries take a more partial approach. This too drives a perception of unfairness.

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I think this is part of the problem.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8198271.html

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ent-propaganda

http://www.civitas.org.uk/content/fi...orporation.pdf

https://iea.org.uk/media/iea-analysi...al-programmes/

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how wonderful that you provide some impartial balance.
From the IEA, a right wing, neo-liberal "thinktank", described by one of its directors as being in "the Brexit influencing game" and which is being investigated by the charity comission for "cash for access" to Ministers for American donors.
From Civitas, an offshoot of the IEA, who distort figures on immigration and were criticised by the government for a pro-fossil fuel statement, which was described as “a manifesto for locking the British economy into excessive reliance on imported gas”.
And a story from the Guardian. About Tories accusing David Cameron of "trying to rig the referendum".

....this is your "evidence"?

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I think this is part of the problem.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8198271.html

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That story is over a year old. According to the most recent report:

"Concerning late transposition cases, Cyprus, Belgium, and Spain had the highest amount of open cases, whereas the fewest were open in Estonia, Denmark and Italy. Spain, Italy, and Germany had the highest number of cases pending for incorrect transposition and/or wrong application of EU law, while Estonia had the lowest total number of open cases last year".

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Originally Posted by RichA

I don’t know about the cases you have referred to so will investigate them. Is there a possibility that corporate (bad) behaviour is being aligned to the EU as an entity?

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...s-1416741.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/119757.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/137564.stm

on the Air France issue and then when you consider just a few years later
https://www.economist.com/business/1...ving-for-cover

there seems to have been knock-on effects.


https://uk.fashionnetwork.com/news/c...aw,626700.html
for info on the footwear anti-dumping issue.

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Originally Posted by Dave_Mole

how wonderful that you provide some impartial balance.
From the IEA, a right wing, neo-liberal "thinktank", described by one of its directors as being in "the Brexit influencing game" and which is being investigated by the charity comission for "cash for access" to Ministers for American donors.
From Civitas, an offshoot of the IEA, who distort figures on immigration and were criticised by the government for a pro-fossil fuel statement, which was described as “a manifesto for locking the British economy into excessive reliance on imported gas”.
And a story from the Guardian. About Tories accusing David Cameron of "trying to rig the referendum".

....this is your "evidence"?

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Shoot the messenger, regardless of whether they are a left leaning newspaper or a right leaning think tank :rolleyes:

No one has challenged the points - well until you :D

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Shoot the messenger, regardless of whether they are a left leaning newspaper or a right leaning think tank

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or use obviously biased sources to argue for media bias?

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Check the multiple definitions.

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yeah, must be one of those "progressive" fascist states that allows free movement, freedom of employment, enshirnes the right to vote at local, national and European level, protects the rights of workers, women, disabled people and the LGBTQ community. Which protects against discrimination on the grounds of religion or belief, sexual orientation and age. Which protects the freedom of thought, religion, expression, assembly and education and the right to a fair trial and to the presumption of innocence.

Yeah, sounds pretty fascist to me.

Idiot.

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Originally Posted by Dave_Mole

or use obviously biased sources to argue for media bias?

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If a person or body goes out to investigate an issue, it is likely they can be accused of being partial, even if they aren't.

Do you really think Open Britain would investigate BBC perceived bias against Brexit? Or maybe the BBC will open an internal investigation?

It tends to be a group or person that has a problem.

But regardless there are countless other accounts backing up the findings I linked to, but no doubt you'd challenge them.

Interestingly though, you haven't pointed to anything that counters this.

You have merely presented YOUR OPINION :rolleyes: