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he constantly goes on about "bias", "facts" and "opinion". I tried to find out how he evaluated the veracity of sources and got the replyQuote:
Another insult.
so I have no idea. It's a genuine assumption.Quote:
Dave - it's been nice knowing you but it's getting a bit stupid so I'll bow out.
Could you half dozen guys not find some nice "political" forum to hold this increasingly divisive and personal debate. This is a fell runners forum. When I go to "What's New" i don't need to see yet more abuse and general unpleasantness
Too true, and the same warning would have been made about nationalists in the event of a hard border. The DUP did not think that one through when campaigning for brexitQuote:
Originally Posted by Dave_Mole
it's just nuts, isn't it? You'd have thought this might have been thought about in a little more detail beforehand. How to resolve a boundary between the EU and a third party in a situation like NI?Quote:
the same warning would have been made about nationalists in the event of a hard border
It is possible to have no physical border in Irish Sea or infrastructure at the border.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
That is already defacto true. There are different vat and tax rates, so clearly a customs boundary. Such as carousel fraud has to be managed.
It would not be perfect,but clearly possible to also manage regulatory and tarriffs because no border is perfect. Technology can cope with most of this, add the fact n Ireland has few deep water ports or airports.
The offensive demand of EU for Irish Sea checks and/ or demands for border infrastructure show the EUs determination to incite trouble as a weapon, and EU absolute contempt for sovereignty or democracy, as proven by the eternal backstop , It is proof of why we must leave, who wants to be a member of such a nasty club?
Sadly the ultra vires idiots who promulgated the benn act, wrecked negotiation , or Boris could have forced EU to back down on that too.
If Barnier wants a border he can put it between Ireland and France. And when there are howls from Ireland, he can tell them they don’t care, or why does Ireland consider it reasonable for a border from ni to uk? So they can have one too between them and france.What is sauce for the goose.
The first thing EU needs to do is start to respect sovereignty and democracy as absolute, not abusable by EU, A solution then will emerge
Hmmmm, I thought you didn't like partial sources :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave_Mole
Strangely though, I thought political stability or instability was a day to day issue in NI. The Assembly has been somewhat unstable since it was established and hasn't sat for some time, unless you count the cup of tea they had this week.
Isn't that what the consent principle was about in the GFI and the sort of double-lock built in to the assembly, for want of a better expression.
Anyway, having followed Brexit quite closely, I had understood the potential for civil unrest in Northern Ireland was focussed on border infrastructure.
In fact Sammy Wilson of the DUP summed it up perfectly this week, advising that the only reason this arrangement had been put together is because it was though one part of the "community" would start bombing again if one camera extra was placed anywhere on the Irish/NI border.
I don't like BJs new plan to be frank, but it seems to have been put together to try and alleviate concerns about civil unrest in Northern Ireland, not fan the flames.
it's also possible for unicorns to graze in that location.Quote:
It is possible to have no physical border in Irish Sea or infrastructure at the border.
and yet no technical "fix" has been suggested, because currently, no technology can deal with this. Specifically no current technology can deal with this at the border between NI and the Republic.Quote:
Technology can cope with most of this
wrong and wrong.Quote:
absolute contempt for sovereignty or democracy, as proven by the eternal backstop
Boris agreed it. It was the UKs responsibility to come up with solutions to the "border" issue. This was the UKs solution.Quote:
Boris could have forced EU to back down on that too.
then what happens between NI and the Republic? He could put a border between the Republic and the Moon, but it wouldn't solve the issue.Quote:
If Barnier wants a border he can put it between Ireland and France
because that's where the border between the EU and the not-EU physically is. I think you'll find the Republic are quite keen not to have a border. You might also like to have a little look at the Good Friday Agreement.Quote:
why does Ireland consider it reasonable for a border from ni to uk
The Republic and France are part of the EU.Quote:
they can have one too between them and france
You need to capitalise proper nouns.
as you know, all sources are partial. It's up to you to decide their veracity.Quote:
Hmmmm, I thought you didn't like partial sources
I honestly don't think he knows what he's doing. He doesn't seem to understand the situation in NI or particularly care about it. It seems like it's an impediment to "getting Brexit done" which he's treating as an inconvenience, rather than a genuine political issue. (that's an opinion, by the way :o)Quote:
I don't like BJs new plan to be frank, but it seems to have been put together to try and alleviate concerns about civil unrest in Northern Ireland, not fan the flames.
and for those who think their actions and words don't have consequences:
https://www.cardiff.ac.uk/news/view/...-and-the-union
I'm not sure the UK is concerned about goods coming from the EU in the UK but the EU seem paranoid about goods going from the UK to EU so surely the problem is theirs to solve. A border between Ireland and France would seem just as pragmatic a solution as one in the Irish Sea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave_Mole
I might be interesting to see what happens if the UK leaves the EU and then Scotland gains independence and joins the EU. Who's problem will that border be?