Farage NEW PM

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Originally Posted by Fellbeast

Any swing to reform won’t gain them a single seat in parliament though - all they’re guaranteed in an election is the loss of the one seat Lee Anderson has gifted them

On the other hand a potential doomsday awaits the conservatives, all down to their own stupidity in pursuing austerity, brexit, blatant cronyism and corruption, lying and lying and lying again and again, partying and not following their own lockdown rules, purposeful underfunding and weakening of the NHS and other public sector services, the blatant inability to own up to their own mainly anti-Muslim racism, trying to ‘stop the boats’ to prevent immigration of a relatively small number of what are mostly real refugees while, at the same time, allowing legal immigration to fill jobs at huge never before seen levels, trying to create and inflame culture wars at every opportunity instead of doing their job properly and continually leap frogging further and further to the extreme right in order to attract the only voters left that will consider them

Hopefully the conservatives will have wiped themselves out, come the morning after the election when it comes

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Post October 7th, those who weren't already aware, also saw the mask of the Hard-Left Liebour slip away completely. The celebrations following the butchery, perpetrated with glee, of innocent people, the mass rapes, torture, kidnapping of children and babies, murder of civilians using shovels and other unspeakable atrocities, all high-fived by the Left in the UK revealed them for what they truly are.

It came as no surprise to many, that the Hard-Left patted the backs of one of the most despotic Hard-Right regimes currently on the planet - Hamas.

Hamas, active promoters of some of the worse examples of misogyny (just like their Iranian paymasters), gross homophobia, vile racism, ethno-centrism, and an atavistic totalitarian theocracy which murders political opponents by the score and thinks nothing of martyring their own people and foot-soldiers (but never the Hamas elite - funny that). I've often wondered which of those practices of Hamas the hard-left appreciate most of all. Or is it just that they too hate Jewish people with such venom and also for their temerity of being successful - as a race. The oldest prejudice and the deepest it seems.

Maybe it's Hamas' psychopathic desire to over-throw the only open liberal democracy in the middle-east, no doubt as a precursor to those others in the West that the Hard-Left welcome so enthusiastically. We know democracy is an anathema to the Hard-Left as the 'stupid people' keep refusing to vote for them voting in whenever they're given freedom of choice. Or to be fair, Hamas was indeed voted in - one man - one vote - one time!

We didn't of course have to wait until October 7th to see the real underlying motives of the Hard -Left. If we'd listened to George Orwell, among many, who had already witnessed the abject misery of so many failed socialist dystopias (USSR, China, Khymer Rouge in Cambodia, Venezuela, etc.).

Hard Left/Islamo-Nazi - two sides of the same grievance/envy minted coin.

“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”

― George Orwell, Animal Farm

Post October 7th, those who weren't already aware, also saw the mask of the Hard-Left Liebour slip away completely. The celebrations following the butchery, perpetrated with glee, of innocent people, the mass rapes, torture, kidnapping of children and babies, murder of civilians using shovels and other unspeakable atrocities, all high-fived by the Left in the UK revealed them for what they truly are.

It came as no surprise to many, that the Hard-Left patted the backs of one of the most despotic Hard-Right regimes currently on the planet - Hamas.

Hamas, active promoters of some of the worse examples of misogyny (just like their Iranian paymasters), gross homophobia, vile racism, ethno-centrism, and an atavistic totalitarian theocracy which murders political opponents by the score and thinks nothing of martyring their own people and foot-soldiers (but never the Hamas elite - funny that). I've often wondered which of those practices of Hamas the hard-left appreciate most of all. Or is it just that they too hate Jewish people with such venom and also for their temerity of being successful - as a race. The oldest prejudice and the deepest it seems.

Maybe it's Hamas' psychopathic desire to over-throw the only open liberal democracy in the middle-east, no doubt as a precursor to those others in the West that the Hard-Left welcome so enthusiastically. We know democracy is an anathema to the Hard-Left as the 'stupid people' keep refusing to vote for them whenever they're given freedom of choice. Or to be fair, Hamas was indeed voted in - one man - one vote - one time!

We didn't of course have to wait until October 7th to see the real underlying motives of the Hard -Left. If we'd listened to George Orwell, among many, who had already witnessed the abject misery of so many failed socialist dystopias (USSR, China, Khymer Rouge in Cambodia, Venezuela, etc.).

Hard Left/Islamo-Nazi - two sides of the same grievance/envy minted coin.

“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”

― George Orwell, Animal Farm

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Originally Posted by Mossdog

Hard Left/Islamo-Nazi - two sides of the same grievance/envy minted coin.

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Left and right seems circular rather than linear. I think of a clock face and have Mao and Stalin at 5 to 12 and Hitler at 5 past 12.
There's maybe a difference in source ideology but not much difference in the outcomes and there's often discussions around the term "National Socialists"

Interestingly the head Palestinian (although hey weren't called that then) in WW2, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, took refuge in Berlin, supported Hitler, and hoped that the North Africa campaign would succeed so the could cleanse the Eastern Med as well as Eastern Europe.
When that failed, they attempted a commando raid on Tel Aviv, to poison the water supply.

What the heck has the hard left to do with it mossdog? Certainly nothing to do with Starmer’s Labour or the Lib Dems

As for Hamas they are murdering lunatics who have totally f**ked things up for the Palestinians and in no way do they typify Muslim people in general, just in the same way that Netanyahu’s right wing, judiciary suppressing and illegal settlement condoning, Gaza obliterating government doesn’t typify israelis and Jewish people in general

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Originally Posted by Fellbeast

What the heck has the hard left to do with it mossdog? Certainly nothing to do with Starmer’s Labour or the Lib Dems

As for Hamas they are murdering lunatics who have totally f**ked things up for the Palestinians and in no way do they typify Muslim people in general, just in the same way that Netanyahu’s right wing, judiciary suppressing and illegal settlement condoning, Gaza obliterating government doesn’t typify israelis and Jewish people in general

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You put this very well!
Things can get very one-sidedly polarised on here, and I'm glad you are contributing.

Yes very well Brian :rolleyes:

What the heck has the hard left to do with it mossdog? Certainly nothing to do with Starmer’s Labour

It has everything to do with it.

The alignment of hard left and hard right on these marches which Mossdog referred to is there for all to see.

There are 200 Labour MPs in Parliament. Many are hard left and will remain in Parliament post general election.

and let's not forget George Galloway, who won in Rochdale and was endorsed by Nick Griffin.

George Galloway is an eloquent twat

The whole conservative government plus all one of the reform mps are right wingers who had to pledge allegiance to Boris’s Bonkers Brexit to be on the starting line in the 2019 election, and judging by all the silly five families of the Conservative Party plus Tice and Reform, there are a huge number of pretty to very hard right wingers knocking about, spending all their time sowing lies and despair so as to the further divide the country

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Originally Posted by Fellbeast

George Galloway is an eloquent twat

The whole conservative government plus all one of the reform mps are right wingers who had to pledge allegiance to Boris’s Bonkers Brexit to be on the starting line in the 2019 election, and judging by all the silly five families of the Conservative Party plus Tice and Reform, there are a huge number of pretty to very hard right wingers knocking about, spending all their time sowing lies and despair so as to the further divide the country

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I suspect you don't follow politics enough and perhaps just pick up your sound-bites from Sky News or the Guardian.

I'd probably struggle to name more than a dozen current Conservative MPs that I would descrive as traditional right wing.
I also can't identify one single policy enacted that would be seen as right-wing.

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Originally Posted by Fellbeast

George Galloway is an eloquent twat

The whole conservative government plus all one of the reform mps are right wingers who had to pledge allegiance to Boris’s Bonkers Brexit to be on the starting line in the 2019 election, and judging by all the silly five families of the Conservative Party plus Tice and Reform, there are a huge number of pretty to very hard right wingers knocking about, spending all their time sowing lies and despair so as to the further divide the country

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I agree with you about George Galloway.

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Originally Posted by Witton Park

I also can't identify one single policy enacted that would be seen as right-wing.

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I think it depends on your perspective. I'm sure left wingers will describe everything the current government does as right wing. And indeed they themselves will. From what I remember from previous conversations, your take on right wing is more to do with reducing the size of the state.