Thanks Alexandra. Enjoyed watching those films, although a bit of a sad ending.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexandra
The race looks far too enticing on film. Kingsdale is always amazing.
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Thanks Alexandra. Enjoyed watching those films, although a bit of a sad ending.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexandra
The race looks far too enticing on film. Kingsdale is always amazing.
Just watched these video's - fantastic. V impressed, will have ELO in my head all day tomorrow
Sounds like you had a "social jolly" trot out Simon !Quote:
Originally Posted by Fly
I've just watched that video: poor bloke - must be so frustrating! I haven't watched the others but will now... it's a shame I know the ending.
On a separate note, I was wondering what experienced ultra runners would recommend in terms of recovery. I haven't reallt run many ultras so haven't got a feel of how much rest is necessary etc. I got round okay without any significant niggles - a sore right ankle for the last 30 miles or so but that feels okay now. I was thinking that I would try a jog today or tomorrow, see how I feel and take it from there. Do people recommend a more cautious approach, or is it fairly safe to just "listen to my body"?
Roadkill - There are a number of views and opinions on this matter. I know some ultra runners who will take 7 days off to recover fully, others will take only a couple of days off and some non at all. Personally, I think it is down to the individual and how they feel, if you try run on damaged or sore legs then you run the risk of injury. I did the Fellsman at the weekend and I have just been out for a 6 mile recovery run (60 - 70% max) with a few strides to loosen up and I feel fine. I think you summed it well when you say just listen to your body, if you feel ok then go for it.
Thanks for the advice, Steve. I think I'll head out this lunchtime for a gentle canter along the Thames and see how things go. I took it fairly easy from Dodd Fell onwards in a nice sociable group of seven, so I think my muscles aren't in too bad shape - the main thing I probably need to look out for is my weedy road runner ankles and knees.
I hope you had a good day out, Steve - it sounds like you held up well.
Having had a chat or two with people on the event and having read some of the comments on here I'm suprised how far people have traveled to do the fellsman.
I would be interested to know if many others decided on the road route after Fleet Moss to the new Middle Tongue checkpoint. I deliberated on this and finally went for the road.
Based on distance, the road route was slightly further but much easier going with a 1000ft climb at the end.
Last year it took me 1hr 20min to get from Fleet Moss to Middle Tongue by the route across the moor. Given that the new CP was further on across the moor, my time would more likely have been 1hr 30min.
It took me 40 mins to run down the road and another 25 mins to climb back up. A saving of 20-25 minutes overall.
Anyone else take this time saving route ?
DB
Hi DB, we ran together for a short while on the 'Ell and Back but didn't see you on saturday to say hello.
Jez Bragg was considering the road route before the start but decided on the moors route. I went over the moors as well and found the running quite good, there's a good quad track with way markers from where you leave the wall to the Yockenthwaite CP, so I'm not sure if the road route would have saved me much time. Besides, I didn't fancy subjecting my legs to a couple of miles of fast downhill tarmac bashing followed by an extra 1000ft ascent.
The name's in the title...'FELLS', Man! We opted for route along the southern wall still, but obviously had to stay on the south side of that so basically just contoured along to the new check point. It seemed ok, although (as expected) rough going underfoot.
I met a bloke who'd driven up from Norwich to do it. Dunno what he trains on down that way.
Recovery wise, on monday I ate as much crap as I felt like (macdonalds, curry, beer or two) today I'm being sensible foodwise, tomorrow I might go for a wee run. It's not a very scientific approach, I will admit, but I like it.
regarding the 'road route'. I tend to agree with PB and Chris H, but can see the attraction of potentially saving 20 mins. However the pounding of running down the road and then ascending an extra 1000ft must have some detrimental effect on you for the later part of the race (although probably not 20mins worth). Most people I spoke to reckoned on it taking them about 1hr20 to do the road route, which is what it took us to do the moors route - less 1000ft!
I'm glad Jez took the moors route.
as to recovery. eating like a piggy wiggy for two days and will be taking my tender legs out for a gentle trot tomorrow. It's a case of listening to what my body tells me and how long I can stand not going out for a run!
I agree, but having done the Fellsman on 16 previous occasions I think I can be forgiven this one diversion down the road :D I didn't find it too bad but had had enough by the time I got to Deepdale. Again, I found the climb OK and it was on pretty good ground all the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by plodding bear
I usually take the southern fence/wall route avoiding the direct crossing of Fleet Moss and Oughtershaw Tarn, but this is mostly walking territory for me and there would have been little if any running. At least I was able to run over 4 of those miles down the road.
Didn't notice any detrimental effect later on and still felt strong at the end, finishing in 16:48
DB
You've done it 16 times before, and you did it AGAIN?! Quick, call the nurse!
You finished a lot quicker than me anyway, so I'll wind my neck in. Nice one. We walked lots of it, as you could no doubt tell by my finish time of 20 hrs 10 mins.
Did this for the first time last weekend, was as hard as expected, five of us started and only two finished! Found lots of helpful stuff on this thread beforehand to help us prepare, but sadly injuries intervened despite our best efforts.... Ended up doing lots of walking and finished in 22 hrs 40, but thrilled to finish and met some great people along the way, even entertained a few people with our singing, at least they pretended to be entertained!
Ah, you'd be one of the Sheffield Grinders sat on the floor at Ingleton, then? Well done for finishing, be interesting to see what the completion/drop out rate was this year. I thought the conditions on the whole were pretty good.
Ay-up Jan hows it going in Kiwi land. Certainly was a social jolly. Forgot it was a race at times and walked too much on the easy bits like the road from Dent and Hell Gap. Too much hanging around at the buffets as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by jodg
That made me chuckle Dixie. You even said yourself your a tight Yorkshireman who won't pay the fuel to go to the lakes for a recce. Count yourself lucky the Fellsman's on your doorstep. You should see the hills around where I live. Yes. what hills!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dixie
Great time by the way. see you at the L50/L100
Everyone seen the Grough write up. Some great pictures
http://www.grough.co.uk/magazine/201...ith-record-win
Results are up http://www.fellsman.org.uk/doku.php?id=results:2011
Very confused , i finished with the group ahead 20 mins in front and the first person behind coming in 4 mins after me. So how come i am joint 27th with 2 others finishing at the same time and apparently ahead of me?
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Originally Posted by Chris H
Weird. A timing error or something strange happening with their calculation waiting times for grouping? It sounds like you caught up with my group - the seven trickling in just adore eleven o'clock. Missing last orders is enough incentive to get round faster next year - if I have a second go at it.
"i, 27th, 2, me". I doubt anyone, other than thee, is bothered where you finished AS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antisocial
Probably something to do with waiting times for grouping, which are meant to be subtracted from the finishing time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antisocial
They do make mistakes with this, last year we had no deduction despite waiting for half an hour, but as wharfeego says, it doesn't really matter :-)
Yes that was us. Looks like about 100 dropped out, two of ours had to stop at Park Rash which was absolutely gutting for them to come so close. Unfinished business for them now so pretty sure we'll be back next year!Quote:
Originally Posted by plodding bear
As long as i am bothered thats all that counts, it matters to me i worked for that result as did everyone else i am sure they would like to be correctly credited. Surprised you are advocating that people should be credited for times they did not achieve but i suppose thats a Wharfedaler for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by wharfeego
Having relooked at the leader board the unofficial results, one of the names ahead of me and not in my group finished 20mins ahead which if i was him i would be a bit annoyed at being given a slower time. The other was 20 mins behind, if there is mathamatical explanation for this based on waiting times etc would be really interested to hear it.
I have the uptmost respect for people doing these kinda long distance runs, it must take some training for!!! Question though, does it totally devoid you of speed all the long long slow miles you must have to do in training? Just curious :)
That's the best comment I've heard for ages.
Organise a fell race and don't put the results up immediately - villified.
Next fell race results I do - names pulled out of a hat whilst the race is underway - save loads of time and effort.
Fabulous post!
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Originally Posted by wharfeego
Antisocialego, I'm not advocating that at all. It's the "me, me, me" that I'm pointing out and you are full of apres-race, me, me, me pap!Quote:
Originally Posted by Antisocial
Hear, hear! It's the apres-race pap on this forum that I don't respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheReverand
oh dear you seem to have caught a dose of Christopher Leighitis - completely missing the point (nor including it in your cut and paste) but carrying on regardless. If its that bad you always could take you camera and ball home like you have previously.Quote:
Originally Posted by wharfeego
Either way my query has been answered by the organisers and it was down to the 2 before waiting 17 mins for group and then having a quick last 10 miles, so well done to them.
John, that you?! Piecing this together from your username and the fact I read on Facebook you'd run. It's Si here - 'I am Spartacus' 5 a side, last year's Nine Edges etc etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by Grinders
Of course if you aren't john then let's all just forget this embarassing post...
Personally my training still includes a large element of speed work (2/5 sessions) and I may not be the fastest, but I'm reasonable (top 25% in most races). Once you have built up a reasonable fitness and distance base then speed is the next thing to work on. i can't imagine that any of the sub 13hr boys and girls just do long and slow miles. i'm quite sure that any of them would fair well in much shorter races.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheReverand
eg Top Novice Konrad Rawlik
I've got a camera but I ain't getten a ball to tek 'ome. You're so full of yersen that you just don't get where I'm coming from. I love you really!:wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Antisocial
Haha, you're close, it's Lisa but I am in the same group as Jon, and we made it to the finishing line together. Also did nine edges last year, so apart from the fact I'm not a bloke you could've been right! Maybe I should have a pic to avoid confusion......:oQuote:
Originally Posted by simgreen78
Anyone else a tad worse for wear after the Fellsman. Im hoping to have a trot out tommorrow first one. Not long till the Wharfedale off road marathon.
It sounds like you tried harder than I did! Personally I am feeling surprisingly fresh, but I took the last 25-30 miles felt fairly easy as I got into a comfortable group with a team-mate of mine plus some other nice folk. Maybe I should have tried harder but for me it was really a training run prior to a possible BG later this summer, and I didn't want to wreck myself. I felt pretty weary until Tuesday-ish, but I think that was lack of sleep as much as anything else - I didn't get much sleep the night before the event and the night after so, after a week of work, this morning's sleep-in felt awesome.
I've had a bit of a tickly cough since I finished it. Could it be due to all the heavy breathing and huffing and puffing on the way round? I also had a bad back for 24 hours or so afterwards, probably due to carrying a pack and posture stuff. Felt surprisingly ok though, managed a short run on wednesday, and a bit longer/up and down on Friday so happy with that.
Look after yourself, Plodding Bear. I had a cold before the last ultra I did - the Might Contain Nuts Brecon Beacons ultra in December - and the run seemed to knock my immune system quite a bit, making the cold hit me fairly hard.
I took it quite easy all the way around and as mentioned by others had hardly any sleep the night before. I only had 2 hours kip in the car before driving home. The legs feel fine and I was running ok from Tuesday onwards but the lack of sleep seemed to have an effect. Still felt lethargic today and had to have a couple of hours cat nap. Don't know what I'll be like after the Housman hundred next week
I should think you'll be pretty buggered, Fly.
managed a 5 mile jog on thursday, but have struggled more with the tiredness this week.
"Quick" question for you all....having formed our own group of 5 we were then joined by another couple, the man held us back a massive amount (approx 2.5 hours) and eventually bailed at Park Rash. Question-could we carry on and leave him (as long as at least 4 carry on), to have a rest and then join a later group? as it was he refused to quit until it became farcical!?