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Originally Posted by david
I second Manhar, would love to finish sub 4 1/2 hours! :o
I've run 4 1/2 for Tanky's (when I wasn't as fit as I am now) so will keep my fingers crossed and hope it's a good day on PPP day....
For comparison, last year I ran:
Edale Skyline (21 miles/4500ft ascent) 4:04
Three Peaks (24 miles/5000ft) 4:08
Tanky's Trog (22 miles/4700ft) 4:15
According to that race card I was on for about 3:15 at ribblehead. That didn't happen I can tell you.
At inglebourough I was on for over 4hrs and then at the finish I'd done 3:56. I run it to my strengths or weaknesses. I'm not the worlds best climber so my tactic last year was to go off hard and take advantage of what I'm good at the flat and descents so some sections are at 3:hr pace and some are at over 4hr pace. Last year I was in the 60's at ribblehead and finished 119th. It fell apart not because I'd gone too fast but because my blood sugar hit rock bottom on inglebourough and was seeing visions of myself sat on the rock next to me :eek: . As soon as a lad I new gave me an energy gel I was back on and running well again. Lesson learnt was for me not to try Jelly Babies but to have them SIS Go Gel jobbies. That said I'll settle for 3:56 again this year. Roll on the 26th.
In my first PPP (mid 90s) I lost 80 places on the descent from Ingleborough, going from 50odd to 130odd to finish in 3.55. This was because my previous longest run had been two and a half hours and because in spite of drinking what I thought was a lot of water on the way round, I got massively dehydrated and had to beg water from spectators going through Sulber Nick.
In my experience the only hard and fast rule about the schedule is that if you try to pick up a lot of time over one section you'll lose it on another.
In my third PPP I decided to run the PYG to RH section several minutes quicker than th previous year. I managed to do this with no problems, but lost time on the climbs of WH and Ing and my finishing time was hardly any different.
The only time I have ever had a quick run in from Ingleborough was in a year when I was racing against a clubmate all the way from the top and after passing and repassing each other we finished just one second apart at the finish.
I know I can get to Ribblehead in or around the 1 hour 50 and a bit mark but, in the past (running seriously unfit to be fair) Whernside has always killed me and cramped me up. If I can get to the top of Whenside in 2:30 then I reckon I'll be good for a 4:15 finish and this is my sort of target on the day.
Hi Stolly, Do we go up Pen-y-Ghent the same way we come down ? 850 runners, could be a dodgy.
It took me nearly 45 minutes to stagger up ingleborough last year then the descent to horton took 37. Time wise I think my times place wise were 100ish on pyg 40ish on the pyg to ribblehead, 100ish up and down whernside 300ish on ingleborough and back around the 100 mark on the way back in. I'm not a good climber and the steepness and lack of glucose killed me on the ingleborough. I'm lucky I don't seem to get much cramp. Did a road marathon the month before and only cramped in the last 800m it was 27degrees at the time and on the 3p's had no problems at all other than the lack of energy. If I get my food and fluid right I should do ok. Just hope the weather ain't too bad
Yes but its fantastic to see the front of the field rush past - they tend to stick to their right, slightly off the main path.Quote:
Hi Stolly, Do we go up Pen-y-Ghent the same way we come down ? 850 runners, could be a dodgy.
I read the excellent race programme today and saw that the race is sponsored by Northern Rail. Great methinks - I won't have a car, so I'll get the train to Horton. Everyone's a winner.
Having looked at the timetable (http://www.northernrail.org/pdfs/timetables/200712/07.pdf) there are two trains from Skipton to Horton all morning - arriving at 0724 or 1000. So that means I either get there 2.5 hours early or I miss the start.
What a wasted sponsorship! They ought to put on a fellrunners train from Skipton or Steeton and Silsden. It would be a great environmental message, it would be a fun journey for all, it would alleviate the parking problems in Horton and it would make the train company look like a real part of the community.
Anyone got a spare seat in their car?!
I agree re. the train times - it would save so much in terms of congestion in Horton if there was a sensible train you could get in time for the start.
On other matters, did the race for the first time last year (4hr50). My advice for any newcomers (such as it is worth):
1) don't get over excited by PYG - it's the lowest and there's a long way to go (It's long enough just to get to Ribblehead).
2) I spent the majority of the time last year obsessing about meeting the cut offs. Having done so I was quite tempted to jump in the minibus at the Hill Inn! I can't see why in retrospect since by then you've conquered Whernside and made the last cut off, but it was tempting at the time believe me.
3) It is a bloody long way from Ingleborough.
4) Wave harriers were ideal.
My slow time was largely due to a intermittent walk which I was overcome by I think just after the Hill Inn. It's a little hazy.
HOWEVER, looking forward to it this year. Will be no thoughts re. minibuses or the like and would love to finish sub 4hr30.:)
Hey I live in Settle so don't talk to me about frigging trains - if I want to get a train to Leeds (where I work) in the morning its pretty much 7:30 or nothing from Settle. Coming back the other way, the only train is at something like 5:15 pm from Leeds dropping me off at Giggleswick station - this "station" is a platform in the middle of nowhere maybe 2 miles from Giggleswick and 3 miles from home!!!! Needless to say I don't catch many trains going anywhere from here abouts.Quote:
Originally Posted by marty mcfly
Or you could always bus from Skipton :rolleyes: - 7:25 Penine to Settle arriving at 8:06. Either walk to Horton from there :) or hang about for the 9:25 mini bus to Horton arriving at 9:45 - just enough time to tighten your laces before the off!!
Welcome to public transport in the countryside.
The parking at Horton on race day is pretty good though and the parking field is usually plenty big enough. This year's record field size might give it a run for its money mind.
Just wondering if anybody is stopping over for the weekend, either camping or BB'ing, rather than driving home once it's all over, which may be anti climatic. Have I left it too late to book anywhere ?
Hiya Manhar!
I'm staying at the Knight Stainforth caravan park in Settle. The wife 'n' kids are coming as well as we're bringing over our biscuit tin on the Friday to make a weekend of it.
http://www.knightstainforth.fsnet.co.uk/
Forgot to say, Knight Stainforth do camping as well! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Manhar
http://www.knightstainforth.fsnet.co.uk/
I got a few slots at Holme farm. He was filling up fast though for both the Friday and the Saturday 01729 860281Quote:
Originally Posted by Manhar
I'm camping at Holme farm too. Might stay Saturday night as well for the post-race craic :D
I will look out for you and come say hi on the Friday.
Also, anyone know is there is any entertainment on the Saturday? If not I am suspecting a very busy pub.
Man, I'm staying up Friday & Saturday. It was a joke last year, driving up from Wales and returning the same day. I am staying near Kirby Lonsdale.
I live in settle so hopefully there might be a few runners about on the sat night for a jar or two, Few drinks in Horton after the presentation and hog roast first then down to the bright lights Ha ha!!!
Think i did a gallon of guiness after last years race!!!!
Can recommend a very good pub with food near Kirby LonsdaleQuote:
Originally Posted by PaulH7
http://www.highwaymaninn.co.uk/
I'm camping for the weekend at Holme Farm, he said he would squeeze me in so probs full by now. Ring him anyway just in case but if he's full try this ...Crag Hill Farm 01729 860266. Not sure if there's any loos/showers at this one tho!Quote:
Originally Posted by Manhar
I ran up Pen y Ghent this morning in the snow, following the race route up and then back to Horton. Keeping to the main track was okay, although very icey at the top, but coming back down it was nire on impossible to run an alternative line, other than on the same Penine Way track. I know in the race descenders normally stick to the right and are often in the tussocks rather than on the path but the snow buggered that idea up this morning. The boggy grass (under the 5 or 6 inches of wet snow) was totally waterlogged too - it will definitely "take a stud" on race day :D.
Potential for some head on collisions too :rolleyes:.
I'ii probably go up and watch the race, anyone got any predictions on who's going to win? any info on the foreign entries?
Would be awesome to see Jebby win this year, lets hope he is going well
I agree. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldie
hi , im going to stop at ribble head pub on the fiday night in our c15 campervan and then drve down to horton car park early sat for reg. there is plenty of parking near that pub usually and no ones bothered us near there before. mayQuote:
Originally Posted by Manhar
see you cheers.
OK lads n' lasses, for those of you doing this classic race let me know what it is you would like to hear over the tannoy as you come storming down the field to the finish funnel to rapturous applause (Ok - admitted this might be nearer a stagger and a collapse at the end for some)
You will all have your moment of glory and I am happy to try and help you make the most of it (assuming I have not left my post for a pee or a cup of tea) send me an email...........
Good luck to all.
Just run from hill inn over ingleborough then down to finish in horton the track is very wet and boggy, really cut up there must of been a hell of alot recce the course. could be in for lot of falls on the final descent with weak legs!!
Quick question - last year we received a form in the post to take to registration, should I have one this year or do we just turn up ?
Will be nowhere near me cause I'm only watching.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Footloose
Mrs Stagger is running though.;)
Very muddy on the tracks from the bottom of Penygent to Ribblehead yesterday. Fun and games on race day if it does'nt dry out a bit:eek:
Same question from me - can anyone enlighten us? ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by 38DD
I'd like to hear that there's a pint of Landlords ready for me:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Footloose
JUst another point - I'm fine with map reading etc - not that it will be needed, but can anybody advise what the SD references are on the site detailing the checkpoints and how we can convert to OS reference?
Doesn't SD refer to the particular OS map? If so SD might mean South Dales. The numeric part of the grid reference is..er the grid reference :D
stagger take some water mate
looks like im running:)
Footloose asked
OK lads n' lasses, for those of you doing this classic race let me know what it is you would like to hear over the tannoy as you come storming down the field to the finish funnel to rapturous applause (Ok - admitted this might be nearer a stagger and a collapse at the end for some)
Well the winning lottery numbers for Saturday would be nice!
So I take it the 2 x 5 digit numers of SD 83850 73399 for Pen-y-ghent summit are equivalent to the OS 838734. Cheers you sarcy git:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stolly
Its just grid referencing taken to the extreme thats all - I think it narrows down the grid reference to the nearest blade of grass ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park