ooh thanks em - sounds character building! studs and warm weather gear if we get there - wonder if roads ok after flurries??
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ooh thanks em - sounds character building! studs and warm weather gear if we get there - wonder if roads ok after flurries??
Its fine with just a smattering of snow and a 'bit of a breeze' on the tops. Its shorts and one top weather... trust me :rolleyes: :D
thanks stolly - looking like sunday better weather day (kind of), you about??
Sorry ratfink - not about on Sunday :(
no worries stolly think i have persuaded another fool...i mean friend :p
your mapped runs look lovely - keen to head up more and do more exploring.
Have a good time Jo and wrap up warm! Me and Emma had a great day out on the hills but as she said it was blooming freezing esp going up Whernside and very slippery underfoot. It's reminded me of how horrible the race is going to be.....not sure if I want to do it now!
ta linda, i've got a totally wrong impression of the race - cos it was shorts and vest last year :)
x
*******unofficial hijacking of Stolly's Hill Runs**********
Ok-I've decided to write about our run today because I have suggested to Stolly that one day he publishes his notes/pictures, so if he does, and I feature in it, then I can get some royalties!!
So, we were supposed to be doing a 3PPP recce to help me achieve some more speed, but after starting well up PYG we hit the bogs and the floods. I am sure the true author will better inform about the terrain but it was the wettest I have ever seen the 3 PPP's. Parts that are not usually under water were, and the crossing at the bottom of Whernside was totally impassable-a real torrent. So we doubled back then met some other 3 Peak- ers who said they knew a bridge across. Our fast recce had gone to pot by then and I was all for bailing out but no, Mr.Mad decided to go on! The rest was wet, windy, boggy and bloody!! But, a great blast in glorious Dales weather with even better company! Thanks to the Stoll-meister!! (and I'm looking at Royalty Law's for publishing now!!)
Rachel
ps-Stolly-will you put the picture with me on on the forum?-I think you get even more for images used!!
Inner thigh chaffage was the highlight of the run today - blood was actually pouring down my legs :eek:. I actually screamed a fantastically high pitched, blood curdling, Psycho-esque shower scene screech when I got in the shower afterwards :rolleyes:
Serves me right for running in shorts... for over 5 hours... in the pissing rain... with fat thighs that rub together :D
Report to follow and thanks for the company Rachel and your 'sincere' concern for my massive blood loss.
Ooooo I had that once when i was training for a marathon, i've never worn shorts since!, my sympathies are with you....bet you won't forget the vaseline next time! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Stolly
..........listen to me-this is the guy that said, "oh, I've vaselined up" when I commented on the "shorts in extreme weather situation." Stolly had practically persuaded me to go with shorts more often until I witnessed the "haemorraging" from the thigh region pouring down his legs! I was more concerned about him carking it on the hills and how I would revive him at the time!! Many walkers today did say to him" bloody hell mate-shorts??" at which I pretended I wasn't really with him....My first aid at work" certificate doesn't cover "extreme bleeding whilst in the middle of bleedin' nowhere and First Aider has frozen hands" events!" Fortunately, you are a true 'ard Yorkshire Man Stolly.......
A very very wet and soggy 3 Peaks run
This should have been about 23 miles and 5,300 feet but ended up being at least 25.5 miles!
23 mile version here --> route map
For this run I teamed up with Rachel, who's trying her luck at the fellsman for the first time this year and hoping to beat 4 hours 30 in the 3 peaks race.
My route of the 3 peaks cuts a couple of corners going up and off Pen y Ghent but is otherwise the full race route and although it follows a straighter line off of Pen y Ghent, it goes through far, far more mud and yesterday... water... water up to the sodding (sodden?) chuff holes!! In fact the whole route was completely and utterly waterlogged and it was fairly pissing down with rain most of the way round to add to the fun - what are usually little brooks and becks were full on raging torrents and any low dips and marshy ground became standing pools and mini lakes. Soooo... much sloshing through mud and water ensued with the occasional mad leaps over frothing becks thrown in.
We got to the top of Pen y Ghent, which was totally clagged out (as were all the tops), in a goodish time of 39 minutes but by the time we hit the Ribblehead road we were a bit behind schedule, finally getting to the viaduct after 1 hour and 52 minutes. Still, not doing too bad given the ground we had been wading through. Unfortunately though after Ribblehead the proper race route hit an impassable water obstacle - the beck (Little Dale Beck?) that has to be crossed just after going through the tunnel under the railway line (the beck that is always a little trickle and a handy water stop on 3P race day) was a raging white water (and brown water) torrent, 10 to 15 meters wide, 3 feet deep where ever I tried to get in to wade across and flowing at a dangerously fast rate. We tried crossing at various places but with no success and, at this point, decided to back track and just run up Ingleborough via Park Fell instead.
Fortunately/unfortunately when we got back to the viaduct we happened across some other runners who had a map and we were able to get back on track, crossing the 'water obstacle' at Gunnerfleet Farm and hacking up the side of Whernside from there. This though had added 2.5 miles and a lot of wandering and wading to our run, and totally screwing up our time with what must have been a wasted 45 minutes.
After that though it was plain sailing; plain sailing that is apart from my now drenched shorts causing the mother of all chaffage problems to the tops of my thighs; the left thigh top this morning is especially bad as can be seen from this picture here :eek:
I struggled a bit going up Inglebrough whilst Rachel breezed it but we both fairly whizzed down to Horton after that; me with blood now seeping down my legs and Rachel trying desperately not to laugh! Our time was 5 hours 30... so Rachel will have to pull her socks up if she fancies her chances of cracking 4:30 on race day!
Rachel 'wading' the 3 peaks near Lodge Hall
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The normal crossing point of Little Dale Beck viewed from further up river
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No go, even further up river
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Great fun and another epic day out in the hills...despite me now probably having to go commando (and take great care in the shower) for a week or two!
Awesome ;)
My hat off to you and Rachel Stolly.
Great read I was smiling and wincing all the way through:D
Brilliant account and well done to you both....I am just sitting here thinking how many people do I know that would that kind of thing for fun on a sunday! not many! ......great pics and like tiny man i enjoyed reading the little story, even the bit about your recovery strategy :eek:
hope the legs heal quick! :)
stolly, me and my friend helen had a drier day out on sunday. i did a bike ride on friday thinking we were going to do just whernside and ingleborough - then let myself be persuaded into doing the whole route. my own dramas involved getting to gargrave on the drive up and realising I had forgotten my fell shoes. i was travelling in clunky appproach shoes. fortunately helen had a spare pair of shoes to lend me - albeit in midget size. even more fortunately she suggested carrying a approach shoe each in case of need (good plan!). even nicer of her was whan she relieved me of the shoe iwas carrying on whernside. we did a mish mash route up whernside going over the bridge over the stream and then up the old race route path.
we also stopped en route for crisps and tea in the hill inn!
now i have two dying toenails but a big grin on my face.
I was wonderin' where that sayin' originated...Quote:
Originally Posted by Stolly
http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...going+commando
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question...5060710AAomRo3
A steady trog over The Old Man of Coniston and Dow Crag
6 miles or so and maybe 3,500 feet
Starting from the top of the really steep lane up out of Coniston (parking in a disused quarry I think) --> Walna Scar track --> up the southern side of the Old Man via Little Arrow Moor --> Old Man Trig --> down to Goat's Hawse --> Dow Crag --> Buck Pike --> Brown Pike --> Walna Scar track back
Route map
A brilliant morning out with sprog numero uno in fantastic Lakeland sunshine. I have run and walked this little route loads of times before but not for a couple of years now and it was great to be back. The south side climb of the Old Man is definitely the best way up too and funnily enough is pretty runnable, after a steepish start.
Looking towards Wetherlam from the Old Man trig
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And along the ridge north from the same spot (Scafell Pike far left I think)
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Left to right Brown Pike, Buck Pike and Dow Crag with Goat's Water below
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Looking back towards Brown Pike and Buck Pike
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I ran in long shorts... and my chafed nether regions survived fairly intact!
...continued
Oh and Coniston Water looked at its gorgeous best on the way there:
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Fortunately the breeze picked up after the run, chilling the air somewhat, or my daughter would have had us attempting an open water swim/dip :eek:
Amazing pictures from today's adventure Stolly! very uplifting....thank you for sharing them :)
A totally superb run from Arncliffe
21 or so miles and 4,500 feet
Arncliffe --> Old Cote Moor Top ridge line to the trig --> Buckden --> Buckden Pike --> Great Whernside --> Kettlewell --> up and around the south eastern corner of Hawkswick Moor --> Hawkswick --> Arncliffe
Route map
What a truly brilliant run, quite possibly my best route in fact :cool: and with totally clear weather that turned into blazing sunshine for the last third things couldn't have been better! I was running again with Rach, getting in some good pre Fellsman mileage and also recceing the Buckden Pike to Great Whernside bit of the Fellsman route.
After hacking up on to the Old Cote Moor Top ridge line and getting to the trig the descent down into Buckden was just fantastic - a sold two miles of downhill fast running over grassy banks with the odd muddy and rocky bits to keep you on your toes. Rachel, saddo that she is, was actually whooping and yahooing on the way down :D.
After Buckden we followed the little gorge towards Buckden Pike that follows Buckden Beck, which in itself is stunning with a miriad of little and big waterfalls and rocky knolls to clamber up. Once at the Buckden Pike trig we then scouted the Fellsman route from there to the trig on Great Whernside with absolutely stunning views to west of Whernside (far far distance), Ingleborough (far distance) Pen y Ghent, Plover Hill and Fountains Fell (distance) and then more to the south and much further away we could see Pendle too. Unfortunately I forgot my camera today (doh!) otherwise I'd have taken a gazzilion photos of it all.
Then a cracking descent into Kettlewell off of Great Whernside followed with the last climb from there being up and around Hawkswick Moor. From Hawkswick it was a gentle mile and a half trot through the fields full of lambs and sheep beside the river Skirfare back into Arncliffe. In the 'olden days' I'd have said "what a fantastic route for a fell race" but nowadays I'm damned if I'd like it to be a fell race :rolleyes: - its just too flaming good to waste on a 'mere' race :)
I was up Buckden Pike today Stolly, got to the trig at around 4.30 ish i think nice and quiet, came up past the mine and down those nasty stairs. Ran off course through the bogs, should've kept the jingle hole on my right.
... ahhhhhh, I am lying on the couch , sipping my sauvignon blanc, picturing our run today.....
.....sheer bloody perfection......
will post properly tomorrow but this afternoon/tonight, I dwell and remember....
The usual - up over High Hill and Warrendale Knotts and back
6 miles and 1,500 feet
I trotted around my bog standard default run yesterday evening, a run that I must do in one variation or another two or three times a week, but in completely superb weather. Absolutely beautiful :)
Route map
Looking towards Stockdale and Rye Loaf Hill from up on Warrendale Knotts
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A picture of an all serious and sweaty stolly, taken by standing the camera on top of the trig point
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And finally this panorama piccy taken from the same place. To the left is all the scars :rolleyes: (honestly around here every single feature is a frigging scar; just in this one picture there are glimpses of Attermire Scar, Langcliffe Scar, Settle Scar, Back Scar and Great Scar but quite where one ends and another starts is anyone's guess), then Stockdale, Rye Loaf Hill and then High Hill on the right.
Bloody hell, this having a puppy malarky has meant that I've only just got round to posting Sunday morning's run....
Plover Hill and Pen y Ghent from Horton
10 miles ~ 2,000 feet
Route map
Horton --> Horton Scar --> Foxup Moor --> Plover Hill --> Pen y Ghent --> Hull Pot --> Whitber Hill --> Horton
I last did this route on 14th March when there was still shed loads of snow on the ground; it may have taken getting on for 2.5 hours start to finish at the time!! On Sunday though conditions were pretty much perfect, with the ground even on the ridge line from Plover Hill to Pen y Ghent being dry for the most part, and I pb'd it in some style, if I say so myself, in 1:40 and that even included 3 or 4 minutes of fannying around taking pictures. Just a brilliant brilliant run.
If you imagine the the Pen y Ghent~Plover Hill ridge in its entirity as Sphinx shaped, this is the view running from the Sphinx's arse (Plover Hill) to it's head (Pen y Ghent)...
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The view of the descent coming off the trig point on Pen y Ghent (jesus if I taken a picture of this view once, I taken it a million times)
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The track off of Pen y Ghent on Sunday........
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And the same track on 14th March.....
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Hi Stolly just looked at your Sunday run, I did the same area on Saturday, it was just out of this world, sun,sun,sun and the views, living so near you forget how good this area is, Littondale is so peaceful and after a long hard run you can get a "99" from the ice cream van, perfect day.
The 4 Peaks!!!
I was down to run the 3 peaks fell race on Saturday but my younger daughter had a crunch rugby game that I just couldn't miss so I, of course, had to knock the race on the head. (Ovenden U16's, her team, probably the best girl's rugby league team in Yorkshire, were playing Lancashire's best, Warrington, and it was a truly epic encounter - Ovenden were losing 22-20 with a minute left to play when my ickie bickie baby girl (huh?) scooted from 20 yards out, smashed through the Warrington line and dived to score the winning try!!).
She also clogged up my calendar on Sunday which left me, with two weeks to go until the fellsman, having no time for a long run at all over the weekend........ so I had today off for a run out instead.
....And decided to go all out with a last full on long 'un. Never mind the mamby pamby 3 peaks; this was the 4 peaks with 33% more peaks and getting on for the same in extra mileage: Beezley Falls, Gragareth, Yorda's Cave, Whernside, Ribblehead, Pen y Ghent, Horton and Ingleborough starting from and ending in Ingleton.
30 miles and 6,700 feet!
Here's the route map, with me running it clockwise. By the way it was a bleeding tough track running it that way round with the vast majority of the running being of the uphill variety - I'd estimate that by the time I reached Pen y Ghent trig, about 20 miles in, 17 of those 20 miles had been uphill miles! (Note to self, next time run it the other bleeding way round).
Absolutely brilliant though
Kingsdale before heading up Gragareth
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Whernside as viewed from the top of the sharp descent from Gragareth
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Whernside again, this time not far from Yorda's Cave
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Looking back towards Gragareth from the Whernside ridgeline
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Continued.........
Looking towards Ribblehead and Pen y Ghent from Whernside
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Ingleborough viewed as I climbed Pen y Ghent
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Fountain's Fell from the Pen y Ghent trig
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Looking south as I came off the cliff side of Pen y Ghent
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The whole route took me ages; 7 hours and 42 minutes in fact! Splits as follows:
Gragareth trig ---> 1:15
Whernside trig --> 2:30
Pen y Ghent trig --> 4:45
Ingleborough trig --> 6:57
Ingleton --> 7:42
awesome pics stolly and awesome miles...well done!
Good run Stolly congatulatios on some good mileage
And pass on my best wishes to miss mini Stolly for stuffing the lancs ;)
Ingleborough and Whernside from Ingleton
A cracking outing yesterday morning in fine and clear weather, albeit with a pretty darn chilly wind blowing, especially on the tops. This circuit follows the first 11 miles of the fellsman route out of Ingleton, before following the Whernside ridge all the way back to Ingleton.
Ingleton --> Ingleborough --> Hill Inn --> Whernside trig --> Ewes Top --> Beezley Falls --> Ingleton
15 miles and 3,600 feet - Route map
I gave it a fairly full on go too, running near as damn it all the way round (apart from the last 20 feet of Ingleborough and maybe the last 50 feet prior to getting onto the ridge top track on Whernside) and trying keep a good solid pace all the way. 49 minutes to the trig on Ingleborough, 2:03 to the trig on Whernside (about 9 miles in) and 3:12 to the finish, including all fanny about time taking photos.
A view north from the cliff top on Ingleborough
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Whernside just before dropping down the steep face of Ingleborough
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awesome pics stolly!
The Fellsman
61 miles (or was it 610?) and circa 11,300 feet
The start point, all of the checkpoints on the way round and the finish (takes deep breath) are:
Ingleton --> Ingleborough --> Yorda's Cave --> Gragareth --> Great Coum --> Flinter Gill --> Dent --> Blea Moor --> Stonehouse --> Great Knoutberry --> Redshaw --> Snaizeholme --> Dodd Fell --> Fleet Moss --> Middle Tongue --> Cray --> Buckden Pike --> Top Mere --> Park Rash --> Great Whernside --> Capplestone Gate --> Yarnbury --> Threshfield
The route
And yet again what a fantastic event! In fact it was much better for me this year in that I knew in advance what was coming and wasn't so suprised when I duly got it... full on.. with knobs on. The results aren't in yet but going from the Grough write up of the 401 starters, 298 finished with a (relatively low) drop out rate of 103; the winner completed the route in just over 11 hours and the tail end charlies in a bit over 28. I was somewhere in the middle, finishing by my watch in 17:45 hours.
It is such a fabulous route though and throws three back to back peaks at you right from the off - Ingleborough, Whernside and Gragareth with 8 identifiable peaks in all and 3 other significant bumps thrown in. Added to the mix is that a huge chunk of the route is totally off piste with lots of tussock and bog hopping needed. The bogs it has to be said were as dry as arseholes this year but I still managed to go knee deep and nearly have my fell shoes and socks sucked off in one bog encounter on Middle Tongue.
I felt pretty crap going up Gragareth early doors but after that things picked up and, apart from the cold wind after dark, I felt okay all the way round. The cold wind didn't bother me at all while running but, at the checkpoints and Park Rash especially, I almost froze my nuts off! Mind you that was all the more incentive to not dilly dally at the checkpoints and keep on moving.
And massive thanks to Rachel (Shaunandrachel from the forum) for hacking round with me; Rachel breezed it all the way too although I think we both struggled a little in the first 10-15 miles for starting off a bit (read miles) too fast. At the end she of course said "<expletive deleted> never <expletive deleted> ever a <expletive deleted> gain" but the fellsman is a drug and she'll be back. I'd long forgotten my troubles going up Gragareth a mere few hours later while remorselessly trudging across the ruts and groughs of Middle Tongue and, although my feet ached at the end, I've all but forgotten that too now. Roll on next year.
Early doors looking back as runners come up Ingleborough
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Rachel descends the other side of Ingleborough with some style
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Hacking up Whernside
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Looking back into Kingsdale with Whernside beyond on the climb up Gragareth
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Continued
Heading towards the trig on Blea Moor
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Ingleborough and Whernside quite some way away now from near the top of Great Knoutberry
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A stunning valley view on the way up Dodd Fell
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A view worth crossing Fleet Moss and Middle Tongue for...
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listen buster! When a lady says no she means no!! Never ****ing again!! You are an absolute star Stolly- a top navigator/organiser/pacer. All I had to do was choose off the menu! Although, my crusty old compass helped a weeny bit didn't it? And I did lead on the way up Dodd Fell/ (yes - that well worn clear path I could clearly follow!) Thank you for taking the photos-we would have no records if it wasn't for people like you-although I reckon taking your camera out and getting the right angle wasted loads of time so we could have done it in under 17 if you weren't so snap happy!! You are added to my list of heroes but I'll just be your support team next year-I am still tired now!!
As I shouted back at the school
"WOO HOO-WE DID IT!!"
...and then I got told off for waking the others up by the quartermaster! Whoops!
P.S I love my picture too-my Liz Hurley tips for sleak thighs worked!
Off for some more vino to celebrate!
Stolly, can you suggest an AS type route up Great Knoutberry Hill?
Great Knoutberry is a really runnable hill (Fellsman excepted) so I'm not sure it would ever count as an A grade hill to scoot up and down; either run up it from Stonehouse (but this includes a very rubblely track for a fair whack of the distance) or from the Hawes - Ribblehead road from just below Wold Fell.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr brightside
Smearsett Scar, Wharfe and Moughton from Helwith Bridge
7 miles and maybe 1,700 feet
I'm bogged down with a cold at the minute so I went for a gentle trot out with the hound in tow this morning; a lovely run though with great views from Smearsett Scar, running through an absolute shangri-la of wild flowers in Wharfe Woods followed by the limestone isolation of Moughton and the cracking descent from there between the two quarries back to Helwith Bridge.
Route
The trig on Smearsett looking towards Pen y Ghent and Fountains Fell
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And looking towards Ingleborough
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Ingleborough poking out between the trees in Wharfe Woods
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Looking back from the side of Moughton with the horizon pretty much showing all of the ridge line that I'd run across as well as the woods and the route down to Wharfe via the caravan site
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Plover Hill and Pen y Ghent from Horton
10 miles ~ 2,000 feet
Route map
Horton --> Horton Scar --> Foxup Moor --> Plover Hill --> Pen y Ghent --> Hull Pot --> Whitber Hill --> Horton
Done at a fair cracking pace (for me) on bone dry ground, albeit in supremely sweaty noggings weather. Brilliant though and I ran all but the stepped part of the final 100 feet up Plover - even then managed to run maybe 10 of the steps and if I just keep incrementing that bit by bit I might just nail the bastard one day. 1:41 start to finish :)
Pen y Ghent viewed from the top of Plover with my wall eventually leading all the way to the top
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Plover and my wall this time viewed from just off the pyg trig looking back the other way
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A trot around the 3 Peaks
23 and a bit miles and 5,300 feet
> Route map
And for the first time in a long while I ran the route on a Saturday smack in the middle of 3 peaks 'peak time' and there sure were a heck of a lot of 3 peaks walkers out and about. I started at about 9 am and pretty much all the way from Horton, up and over Pen y Ghent and down to Ribblehead I was overtaking a steady stream of 3 peakeroos; some with some interesting navigational problems. Even though the bogs are supremely timid at the minute I found two walkers at Black Dubb Moss who'd both gone in almost to their armpits :D and a group of Scottish walkers were totally confused as to where the path went after the ice cream van at Ribblehead - there was a huge great fecking railway viaduct backed by a huge great fecking mountain right before their eyes but nope, they didn't think that was the right way!
All in all the weather was too crap for any pictures with light rain all the way round; the tops of Whernside and Ingleborough had poor visibility and a cutting wind too and the run in from the top of Ingleborough all the way down to Horton was straight into the wind most of the way.
By the way that is absolutely the last time ever that I run in my adidas thermal - I was absolutely boilng at times, to the point of being lightheaded and dizzy at the top of Whernside and the top of the slabs going up Ingleborough, and totally chilled to the bone at others - just a brief stop at the Whernside trig for a drink and a mouthful of mars bar and I was almost immediately teeth chatteringly cold. I think the thermal just constricts any air flow because its so tight to the skin making you (well me anyway) hot and sweaty very quickly and, in lulls or slow climbs, that sweat (and rain yesterday) cools extremely quickly too. The ideal top to be both too hot and too cold whatever the weather!!
Any way stolly at the finish sporting the offending thermal top
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4 hours 40 altogether which I was a bit disappointed with. That said I'd run 7 miles on Thursday night with the Skipton joggers at fairly full on ramming speed and had had a 3 mile trot out with the dog on Friday too so it was probably not as bad as all that.