Are you trying to hijack the thread Amex, He's talking about his achillies..;) :DQuote:
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Are you trying to hijack the thread Amex, He's talking about his achillies..;) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Amex
:D no honest, i have had both achilles stripped now so i know a tad about it, but i see what you mean i have just read through my post oh dear it could be taken the wrong way!Quote:
Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
Brett will be on to me i will get banned and loose all my friends
then again come to think of it:p
Well I've been running with a swollen achilles for a while now - I think its (very) gradually improving as it no longer feels stiff in the mornings, is not nearly as painful and only occasionally aches while running. I use ice from time to time but the major improvement for me has come from running with an ankle support like this:
http://www.germes-online.com/direct/...le_Support.jpg
As is usual for me I haven't consulted a physio at all and just bashed on. And touch wood I just might have got away with it.
It's worse in the morning for sure. I can feel it throb at various times during the day to!;) No really!
True. There came a time once the initial swelling had gone down and it wasn't so sore to touch (I'm talking about the achilles here), when I decided that I'd try and run it off, which I suppose I eventually did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stolly
FITC, By shockwave, do you mean TENS (Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulator)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Feet in the Cowclaps
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by dominion
I mean this.
Here on wikipedia
I did my achilles playing cricket....constantly pounding my foot on the floor as I ball did it no good.
When I first did it i could harly walk for a day or two. Once the worst of the pain had gone, I bought one of those ankle supports like the image posted by stolly.....i kept it on everyday and i helped. Within a couple of weeks I was able to go running again but only if I was wearing the support....without it i collapsed on my ankle.
I did the injury in January and it still twinges now:( .....so my advise to you is buy a support and go for a little jog when you feel your ready. But dont do like i did and be over-confident about how my achilles had healed by leaping of a huge rock in the Lake's.
In same boat
Completely out of training for weeks...
Managed (almost all of )the cuillin ridge walking last week - but cant run even a mile withou serious lasting pain....which prevents me walking the following day.
May try one of those supports...
As I'm too mean to pay anymore money to physios that don't seem to get any results, would one of these home TENS machines be any good for treating a sore achillies?
http://www.lloydspharmacytensmachine.com/
I'm running(ish) for the first time since March but I'm not sure my achillies is really sorted.
What's wrong with your achilles Dom? I developed tendonitis in mine when I started running seriously but it largely cleared up after regular calf strengthening excercises (one legged eccentric reps etc).Quote:
Originally Posted by dominion
I've thought of one of those TENS machines recently as I've suffered with achillies tendonitis for months, have carried on training and it just gets worse especially in the morning or for the first mile or so when training. I've now stopped training for a week or two and it is gradually getting better but won't a TENS machine just block the pain and not solve the injury?
Have also tried Voltarol cream but dosn't seem to have any effect. Anyone got any other suggestions.
As my above post I had a real problem with tendonitis but managed to largely clear it up following the excercises in the link below:Quote:
Originally Posted by rdb77uk
http://www.sportsinjurybulletin.com/...endon-pain.htm
I think it took around a month of doing the excercies to begin to feel the benefit
Cheers Derby Tup, will give them a go. Did you continue running whilst doing them or did you take a break?
Had tendinitis a few times. Massaged it with ibuprofen gel (Deep Relief) 3 times a day, and followed exercises in
http://www.sportsinjurybulletin.com/...endinitis.html
especially the one legged eccentric contractions - sounds similar to Derby Tup. Took two weeks off, cycled to keep fit (and sane), resumed running on flat and jogging about a mile at first only when no pain doing eccentric contractions. Continued exercises and massages until back to full training.
Found sportsinjurybulletin.com very good for treatments especially plantar fasciitis
This is cheap. It works too. After every run, put your feet/lower legs (i.e. as far in as you can without spilling water all over the floor) in a bucket of cold water.
No, I didn't take a break. I just carried on.Quote:
Originally Posted by rdb77uk
which leg did you do front back or one on the left or right? this time of the year must be really hard for you all those ticks getting in ya coat.. hope you groom regularly..;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Derby Tup
So what you're all saying is.... I need to get off my arse and do some exercises rather than looking for a magic cure?
DT - It hasn't been right since that bloody duo-in-the-dark thingy!
You know I haven't got much fleece so ticks are not an issue! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguin
Probably running up and down Whernside before the duo didn't help...:rolleyes: Either that or didn't have enough Landlord afterwards. It has excellent anti-inflammatory properties :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by dominion
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Originally Posted by Derby Tup
it will be the landlord it's drug qualitys are great i find it stops the swelling..
ssshhh don't let christoper leigh read this i will be slated:p
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Originally Posted by Derby Tup
waddle waddle:D
What's interesting about that article is that it says that achillies injuries are common in over 40's - I was 40 last December. Achillies injuries are caused by weak calves, I tore / strained my calf about 6 weeks prior to knackering my achillies in late Feb.
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Originally Posted by dominion
The excercises were recommended by someone who was in exactly the same position as you i.e. in his 40s, injured for months, getting fed up but no sure what to do after trying Deep Heat, rest, Neurophens, icing etc. He said that he got into doing the excercises whenever he had a few minutes and encouraged me to try with good results.
It's very good but the dosage can be critical :D You need enough for good results but not too much. Running wth KCAC will give you plenty of chance to get it right. Many of their members are experts with it :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguin
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Originally Posted by Derby Tup
yes i have noticed this fine art, so therefore i will have to practice it at least once a week from now on... hope you tripping was worth it;)
My achilles injury is finally (touch wood) showing signs of a remarkable recovery, having been running on it with lots of post run pain for a good 18 months. I guess being unable to run for a couple of months with my knee (aka the knee of doom) has helped but, saying that, my achilles hurt like the bejasus after my first attempt at a comeback run. And ditto the next couple of runs too.
But then, in maybe a eureka moment, I noticed something really strange about how I was running uphill on that achilles on my right foot; almost without realising it, I always seemed to be running on tip toe on this foot on climbs which just may have been putting some kind of extra pressure on the achilles. Since that 'discovery' I've pointedly been running more flat footed on hill climbs and, maybe coincidentally or maybe directly because of this, my achilles has just stopped hurting and the swelling on it has really reduced in size.
Hi,
I've been having really frustrating pain in my heel/achilles, and wondered if anyone had had similar, and what the best thing to do is. It hurts at the back/slightly inside my heel at about the level of the top of my shoe. Its really bad going uphill or traversing. It doesn't hurt at all without shoes on, or when stretching (just hurts with any shoe, but some worse than others). It all started after a weekend walking in some really stiff walking boots.
I've done the usual (ice, ibuprofen) and tried padding my heel. I've booked physio for Thursday, but am I wasting my money? Training for BG this year, but worried I am going to do some real damage by keeping training:confused:
cheers
Becky
Try making two cuts through the heel of the shoe, one each side of the achilles, down to the top of the heel cup. This reduces the pressure on the heel and the achilles.
I had a bout of achilles trouble, and its the first thing I do to all new pairs of shoes.
cheers, will try and an old pair of shoes first! Am just hoping its not the dreaded tendonitis, but symptoms seem all wrong...
Where do i start , im going to bulletpoint this as it will be easier to digest.
*I am 17 years old and live in Fife in Scotland
*I joined the army at 16, I was medically discharged for problems with my legs.
* Recieved physio,rehab, doctors views etc... - No definative diagnosis was given
* Head surgeon at ninewells hospital (dundee) says legs are fine there is a slight pronation of the feet (both) - refered to physio at ninewells for custom made insoles by the head surgeon
* Turn up to physio at ninewells and yes you guessed it - they say "Your feet seem fine - I can see your calf muscles are tight
* Left to rot away with no use 3/4 length of the nhs shelves insoles which havent worked
* Back to the doctor i go complaining of my pains, refered to Physio at St Andrews, Confirmed my calf muscles are tight.
The thing is ive been pushed around pillar to post, im 17 years old , when i walk after about 5-10 mins i get real bad pains from the calf/achilles area , sometimes i have to stop walking, the pain is also underneath my feet and it aches alot. I cant afford to go to a private physio but I would love to, Has anyone here had similar pains to what i have been feeling for 2 years and getting no deifinitive answer as to what the problem is.
My ambition in life is to get back into the forces but with my legs how they are I couldnt get through it
I would say that it would be worth going to see a specialist about orthotics.
They should put you on a treadmill to see how you run and then be able to diagnose your problem.
I know they are not cheap but if it means you will be injury free then they are a good investment.
Its interesting to hear of people who wear orthotics for a period of time then decide to stop wearing them thinking they are cured of their ailments to then find some months later that they are starting to get problems again.
You haven't said whether this is exercise related or just with walking, but since we are in a fell running forum, I expect it is the former. Low calf and achilles problems are common. Because the blood supply to tendon fibres is poor, healing can be slow and incomplete, and anti inflammatory tablets are little help. The latest treatment for this type of problem is to try 'eccentric stretches' Go to the bottom of the stairs and stand on the lowest stair on just the balls of your feet. Move up onto your tiptoes, then slowly drop all the way down past horizontal until your achilles is fully stretched and you can bend no more at the ankle. Then repeat as many times as you can. After a couple of weeks, you increase your weight using a loaded rucksack.
A podiatrist with a specialist interst in sports injury may be another option. Good luck
http://www.foot-ankle.co.uk/lib/tmp/...0programme.pdf
Click on the above for a diagram and further explanation.
bah, i've been having similar pain since january. Heel feels "bruised" and sore to touch. Regular icing, ibuprofen gel etc seemed to make no difference. Went to physio who reckoned it was retrocalcaneal bursitis. He recommended, due to the fact i've had it for months, a corticosteroid injection and to be assessed for orthotics. I am waiting for appointments now. Ok cycling, but not running.
Had similar pain, soreness etc. Saw physio (who very sports orientated) was told nothing to worry about, pressure point, not harmful, keep running.
I did think that my heel was falling in (pronating) a bit, so at FLM expo had gait analysed on one of those foot machines and sure enough I was correct. Now planning new shoes.
RE FLM ran it okay, heel stopped hurting pretty quick, achilles stiff now but have run again today. I'm also NOT fast, am definitely one who races for fun against myself.
what i would say is keep as much off road as possible so do as much as you can on the fell as there is less impact as there is road running and also try bying some good cushioned shoes maybe with some soberthane inserts aswell
Have you tried the barefoot/minimalist option? It's my hobby horse at the mo, but it seems to be working for me. I had a serious ankle injury last year and thought about chucking running in, couldn't be bothered with physio as we'd already been down the shoes and orthotic route... Whilst I was recovering I started reading about form and read the chi-running book, which lead me to the world of barefoot and minimalist running. It's seriously worth considering, an emerging school of thought suggests that modern shoes with all the tech, padding and support may seriously contribute to injuries. I've been back running for four months now and have upped milage and sessions to four-five times a week approx 25-30 miles and am gradually inceasing my off-road barefooting to 1-2 sessions a week.
I still run in inov8 shoes but have stripped out the insoles and only tie them up sufficeintly so they do not fall off or rub. I try and run in them softly as if I am striking barefoot (with a forefoot-midfoot strike).
Forget heel strike-toe push off as this is an unatural way to run.
As you said your foot doesn't hurt when not in a shoe it may be worth a try, but do take it easy at first. :)
Ran my first mile barefoot last week. Got to say it was so different. Haven't ran like that since i was a kid. In a hippy way it felt so free maaan! :):)Quote:
Originally Posted by Twister