I did my left ankle at Black combe on the 7th.Its still swollen although the massive purple bruise has now gone :D.Is it worth a sports masarge ? Its still a bit tight.Ive never had,needed or bothered before with anything like this.
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I did my left ankle at Black combe on the 7th.Its still swollen although the massive purple bruise has now gone :D.Is it worth a sports masarge ? Its still a bit tight.Ive never had,needed or bothered before with anything like this.
Go and see a good sports therapist, Acute stage is over you need to get it moving give me a ring after clinic after 8pm on 01229 480422
Slipped on some horse poo yesterday whilst out on run felt outside crack.
I am a Sports physio so walked back. Then got the ice packs out, then Rubbed Albmaleaf sports injury gel on This morning a miracle no pain
Horse poo indeed :rolleyes:
AHHH HORES Poo, better than Bito. Is Bisto still around on the forum
When a product comes on the market as good as Albmaleaf its not horse poo, as stated above,
Sounds like you're drinking the stuff...Quote:
Originally Posted by injury advice
Would be a good laxative but you would have to re name the product to Albmapoop, how does that sound
Is there anything it doesn't do?! ;)
Anybody know where I can get this miracle cure ? I sprained mine this morning. Bloody typical, on "taper week" prior to the Blubberhouses Moor 25 aswell. It's nicely swollen now.
It's a brave man who looks for a miracle cure from a physio who can't even spell ankle ;)
Get a bag of frozen peas on it :cool: Good luck :)
Genius :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Derby Tup
Sorry to hear that Jez. I think the old RICE methodology is really the only way to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jez Hellewell
I badly broke my ankle in three places in 2006, its now weak and very susceptible to sprains. I've experimented with gels and oils (yes, including 'miracle' cures) but I always end up back on the old RICE programme, followed by 'strengthening' exercises once the swelling has subsided.
The only thing that has ever got anywhere near to helping me, was something called Mason's Dog Oil, which is a blend of Rape Oil and (cover your ears Injury Advice) Petroleum Jelly. But even then, I reckon that was more to do with the continual massaging of the area as opposed to the actual product.
Good Luck, hope you make it in time.:)
Thanks for that SimGreen. I've been trying the RICE technique, so hopefully will be feeling the benefit tomorrow. A friend has suggested that once the swelling goes down to try strengthening exercises on the childrens trampoline ! Sounds good to me.
I'll hobble round the Blubberhouses Moor 25 if I have to !
I've used dog oil for years. It's good stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by simgreen78
Dog oil contains petrolium jelly and chemicals, Essential oils contained in Albmaleaf & other natural oils/gels have natural healing properties, that are not harmfull
Are you a sports physio? Are you not David Jackson described on this page -http://www.albmaleaf.co.uk/aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by injury advice
If so you should be careful about describing yourself as something you are not...
Especially if if you are apparently trying to raise the profile of a product or service in a forum like this
Clinical sports & remedial therapist is my proper status , I have 15 years of clinical practice under my belt & have treated several international athletes back to full fitness. I am a fellow of Sports & remedial therapy, I have Taught the subject for 10 years And am as good as Any General Physiotheapist if not better at treating & rehabilitating sports injuries. I do work alongside Several Sports Pyhsiotherapists who i have a high regard for & there are ones that i regard beter than myself, they also have the highest regard for me. Also i work alongside several Orthopedic consultants who also have a high regard of my work, And send me clients for Rehabilitation. So i am sorry for any cofusion. Sports therapists can get a bad press because some qualify in a week & some like myself have done 2 years full time plus every year either taught courses or attended them, I can asure all forum members there is no comparrison to a two week qualified sports therapiat & a 2 year full time course & 15 years of running own clinic
Crikey! Thats the answer for you IanFitz. But... was or is it the person you were asking about??:confused:
One of my aims is to help Members find the right Sports Physiotherapist or Sports therapist in their area.
I do know seveal of each proffession mainly in the north & north west. What i am tierd of seeing in the clinic is people who have had treatment after treatment with no improvement month after month, by both the above. Ime not bothered if people go elswhere. for treatment i am busy in the clinic & just want to se sports people back enjoying their sport. If people ring me i will try to advise them but will always tell them if treatment is needed to go and se either of the above as you can not make a Diagnostic judgment on the phone.
David
Thanks for going some way to clarifying the facts. That looks like a great CV, it sounds like you have lots of experience and a good reputation so I don’t really understand why you wouldn’t refer people to that; although I do understand, and agree with, your point about sports/massage therapists having a, sometimes deserved, dodgy reputation. I hope you would agree that because of this the good therapists who are well experienced and thought of should be making absolutely certain that they do everything they can to maintain professional standards.
I asked for clarification for a number of reasons and I’d like to be clear that I am not accusing you of any of the below, just wanted to be sure that none of this was going on.
Firstly, as I’m sure you know, Physiotherapy is a protected profession regulated by the HPC- continued misuse of the title can be subject to a £5000 fine. Secondly, I don’t like people hiding behind the anonymity that forum usernames can provide. Thirdly, because I have a vehement dislike of quackery and pseudoscience I will go out of my way to challenge this when I think that it may be occurring.
I hope you can see why people may be dubious on reading your report of a miracle cure when:
- You are effectively anonymous (to those who can’t be bothered to spend 20 seconds on google)
- Appear to falsely claim to be a physio
- You spell ankle wrong
- Use an unheard of diagnostic term to categorise your injury - bad ancle sprain (sic)
- You are promoting a product, presumably your own, whilst not acknowledging this fact
- In your case study you applied ice to the injury which would make it difficult to judge how much impact the magic cream actually had. It‘s not a very rigorous example of science.
- You are really not helping yourself with the snake oil avatar - it could be perceived by the more cynical as being a bit too close to the bone.
I’m quite sure that you are a decent person with good intentions and that your product works for some people, it just that these days there are a lot of charlatans about trying to scam people in all sorts of ways. This make it difficult for people to find the genuine miracle cures from the plethora of misrepresented, over-hyped and over marketed nonsense.
Anyway, I wish you and your customers good wishes, good health and speedy recoveries or all three.
P.S. I was reading the testimonials at http://www.albmaleaf.co.uk/testimonials and you may want to look at, and maybe alter, the testimonial from P.L. the tri-athlete just because, aside from another claim of you providing Physiotherapy, it also says you provided him with ‘warming relief’. Now I may have a rather smutty imagination when I point out this sounds a bit like a rather different sort of massage!
wow is this gel going to be marketed by acappi nexus??
http://ukbouldering.com/board/index....c,13302.0.html
don't start with the Accapi stuff. It is hilarious!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ratfink
I actually met the rep at 'the shop' the other day. he was a really decent bloke who was very honest about where accapi were at with their 'science'.
I must admit I was surprised, and actually a bit disappointed as I was looking forwards to some verbal sparring!
Me & Ian fitz Agree on most things & i Respect good Sports Physiotherapist of which i belive he is one,
The most fundemental thing we agree on is the best possible treatment & care and attention to detail for all our clients.
My name is Dave Jackson i Am a clinical sports therapist from Cumbria With 14 years clinical experience & 10 years experience in teaching Sports & remedial therapy.
I am more than happy to help forum members Talk through any injury worries & direct them to people like Ian or myself for expert & honets treatment. by the way i dont sell snake oil.
Yours Sincerely Dave Jackson
Send me some to test it on my ankles and then youll have a forum-worthy testimonialQuote:
Originally Posted by injury advice
The snake oil avatar was placed there by the administrators as a warning shot about free advertising. I knew nothing about it at the time and had not read the thread. I think they are tightening up on people perceived to blatantly advertise and take advantage of the forum. This is building a head of steam outside the forum itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanFitz
Before I get abuse back :) I repeat this had nothing to do with me.
Just sprained mine quite badly, went with a right crack. RICE has reduced the pain/swelling a lot over three days though. Does anyone know where to get the Albmaleaf sports injury gel from ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dagwood
Try PM’ing the formite “Injury Advice”
I went over on my ankle as you described, loud outside crack, i have riced it for nearly three weeks, it stillQuote:
Originally Posted by injury advice
has a bit of discolouring, I tried to run on it last night, and the pain came back, SO my conclusions are either
your gel really does work miracles, or you are full of that horse poo you slipped on!
You want to get it properly checked out my daughter plays football at quite a high level and she went over on her ankle and heard a snapping sound.Rice worked to initial take swelling out but 3 months down the line after no real improvement a visit to a private surgeon revealed she had snapped her ankle ligament. She had surgery 3 weeks ago and on friday iam taking her to have har cast taken off and hopefully she can start her rehab.All in all a very frustating time and if you are still in pain after three weeks i would advise a trip to a good physio.
I slipped on some albmaleaf then rubbed horse poo on it. It worked a treat.
Are you setting up a sales outlet for itQuote:
Originally Posted by Margarine
I think I've bust my CF ligament in the rear lateral aspect of my left ankle. Out for a run on burley/ilkley moor earlier today and squiffed my foot for some reason which twisted under me and went with a loud pop/crack. It hurt like hell for about 20 secs and then I was able to walk over a stream and up the following bank before continuing to run the final steep descent reasonably well.
I cooled it in the stream at the bottom for a few minutes but then had to go. Since getting home it's swelled up on the back of the lateral malleolus and is pretty sore to touch in that area plus across the bone itself although I can weight bear ok and walking/running is a little cautious but not a problem.
Anybody more experienced like to tell me whether I should bother getting it looked at? Gut instinct is not to bother (what's another ankle sprain among friends) but I think the loud pop may have been the ligament rupturing so I don't want to leave it and end up needing surgical intervention :thunbdown:
Do I need that ligament? Surely it can't be that important :wink:
Anyone? It's much more swollen today and bruising is starting, things are looking down :mad:
Get it looked at quick trip to the docs I reccon.
Agreed. I've got a history of bad ankle problems and I can tell you - don't leave it! If its bothering you enough to ask advice on here then I reckon its severe enough to get a proper opinion.
Strangely, I did exactly the same thing as you on Saturday, although not as severely. Exactly the same description of how it happened, how long it hurt for, and how I dealt with it and carried on. I've had to have a few days off since, its runnable but noticeable if that makes any sense, but experience suggests its not worth pushing it too soon for fear of doing some serious damage. Went out for a threshold four miles and I'm paying for it today :thunbdown:
Get it looked at Rob!
I may take your advice folks... but I'm not promising anything :D
It doesn't feel unstable or anything but it is quite swollen and bruising up nicely now so it must be a grade 2 at least
I'm properly confused with this now, the swelling has gone down considerably although the bruising is now showing strong and it feels pretty solid and stable again :confused:
I'm actually tempted to try a run tonight and see how it feels. I would've swore blind that I'd burst the ligament but it feels far too stable for me to think that now. I think a trip to the ankle specialist is in order.
Has anyone else ever had a nasty sprain with swelling, bruising, and a loud pop and not needed anything other than rest etc to put it right? What about further problems? I rang a GP tonight (through health insurance) to ask the question but she didn't know and advised a trip to casualty :w00t: which I thought was a bit dramatic considering I've been out walking on it today and not even had any pain.
:confused::confused:
I wouldn't bother running on it for a good few weeks. I sprained both ankles simultaneously at the beginning of this year and they won't get better unless you stop running on them, even when you think you're over the problem one slip or bad step sends you back to the beginning. In the end i stopped for 5 weeks which is all i could manage but it wasn't enough, primarily because i'd been worsening the problem week on week by trying to run through it. The 5 weeks bought me enough to be able to race on them once a weekend and then it was a mad dash back home to get the cold packs on.
The last thing you'll want to do right now is stop running, i know, but you don't want to end up in the cycle of monotony i've been through either. Get a wobble cushion to improve your proprioception, around 20 quid.
I've got a wobble board but it's not the best so might be time for a new one. I've got a road race this coming weekend so I'm going to run a few miles on wednesday to see what it feels like an assess it from there. So far running hasn't seemed to irritate it although I'm only talking about very short distances.
I reckon I can tape it to manage ok on the roads but I won't be fell running for a few weeks I don't think (although I have a reputation for ignoring sensible advice including my own so I'm not promising anything). Bloody annoying