not yet the chappy is on holiday this week so picking them up middle of next week :)
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not yet the chappy is on holiday this week so picking them up middle of next week :)
my pod is in clayton, bradford. russell is first class. not too far from leeds. pm me if you want his number. i cannot call myself hobbler any more!
Can i just make a point that different podiastrist have differnt methods and theories when it comes to orthotics. EG, some podiatroists think leg lenght difference is important, where others think this factor is academic.
Confusing i know. it may be wise sometimes to shop around first.
well i have got mine now... will see how i go!
You are in luck!
I visit Andrew Horwood in Leeds. Think it's called the Moortown Clinic, nr to Roundhay.
Absolutely top podiatrist, tel 0113 269 7274.
The best one I have met so far, including other ones in Sheffield and Settle.
oooooooops I'm a bit behind with the posting!
For those who have othotics, which material do you prefer? Carbon fiber or foam...or anything else?
Just been and had the casts taken of my feet, so should have them in a weeks time!
How are you getting on with yours one hill?
Fantastic hopey :)
I wear them in my work shoes as well because they make my feet feel really comfy :D
Running wise - well I am not really back into running properly yet, I've just been doing little runs, but so far so good - my knee, which I couldn't even run on before, is fine, not even a twinge :)
and another thing, I used to get really tight calf muscles, if I hadn't run much for a week or two and when running up hill. I always put it down to lack of fitness/not stretching enough etc but now I realise it was probably because my feet were always twisting inwards making my calf muscles work extra hard :D
Good luck - let us know how you get on too! Fingers crossed you have good results as well.
how were they to break in,i have just finally started to wear mine most of the day at work and dont seem to be having any problems apart from my feet aching alot towards the end of the day and then if i go for a run after work my feet ache a bit,taken me nearly 2 months to break them in to be comfy
fine to be honest, felt a bit weird the first couple of days but I am used to them now :)
Well my orthotics have caused me more problems than I already had!! :mad:
My knees and ankles are killing me, now to the point where I'm struggling to run.
I had the orthotics in my every day shoes for a few weeks, I didn't even get to run in them. They didn't seem to fit into any of fell shoes very well, my heel kept slipping out.
I've given them back and they are being re made!
Not happy £180 and now I can't run!
Sad to hear it Hopey!!
But see my previous post (ages ago). I have 3 pairs of differing orthotics; all currently living in the garage.........all blooming expensive!!
Worth a try (as a select few seem to do o.k.) but don't beat yourself up about trying something! Nothing ventured etc.
You may have been one of the chosen ones whose foot position is better designed by a human being. If you go beck to the provider, you could try again!? Or join the club of "attempted, suffered, moved on".
All the very best, whatever you choose to do!!
Been a while now mate, hope 2008 brings better fortune.Quote:
Originally Posted by hopey
cheers
The podiatrist is looking at remaking them for me, so fingers crossed they will be better second time round!
don't loose faith! Give them a proper chance. Here's my little story:Quote:
Originally Posted by hopey
I too went to Duncan Mason (on recommendation from a friend) and was referred on to Barry for orthotics. Their whole multidisciplinary approach impresssed me from the off: combining physio/massage with orthotics if needed and core stability work with a responsibility on the patient to follow a strict stretching regime and properly structured return to activity. I've struggled with recurrent shin splints for 4 years managing low-midfield fell race and bottom field A class MMs interspersed with frustrating lay offs and never really manging to push the training to oveload and improve. I was under a well respected but not particularly sport oriented podiatrist recommended to me by a very good fell runner and was using his carbon fibre orthotics throughout this time and I had basically accepted my body wasn't built for fell running and was grateful that he was keeping me running at all.
He left the area and I went to Duncan and co at Worsley physio and have been very much on the proper mend ever since, now built back up to over 30 miles per week and gradually increasing to plan rather than the mad surges of the past. I'm being religiously adherent to my stretching regime and can feel the difference if I stop for a day or so when away or whatever - you clearly have to follow the whole package if you want the benefits. Also, if your body has adapted to an abnormal gait it WILL hurt as it readjusts. I was shocked at how poor and asymmetric my core muscles were and am feeling the benefit of the core stability work in my rock climbing as well as in the injury recovery process. I'm a doctor by trade (though know nothing about orthopaedics) and have been very impressed by their whole diagnostic approach and obvious savoir faire and vast experience of running injuries (they are all athlete's themselves as well) - this last being perhaps the clincher as there is no substitute for experience
Give it a proper chance mate bafore considering it a failure
cheers and hoping you recover P
I'm even starting to consider the BGR again :)
Thats excellent news paulo.
I will try and keep at it.
The orthotics weren't right though, we thought that at the time of fitting, the left one was fine but the right didn't feel good.
What shoes do you use the orthotics with?
:( oh dear hopey I hope you get it sorted - let us know !
Asics kayano XII on road and mudrocs / mudclaws on fellQuote:
Originally Posted by hopey
my orthotics are necessarily bulky and do restrict the choice of running and normal footwear and I've had to have a slimmed down version buiilt for skiing
The only pair of shoes that the orthotics would fit into where Roclites and my heel kept slipping out of them. Hopefully when he remakes them they should fit better.
I might even look at getting back to the core stability class again.
I have just spent 2.5 hours with the physio and he explained the bio-mechanics of the running gait amongst other things. Whilst the injury I have should sort itself out in a few weeks, the underlying causes may well be down to my gait being out of alignment thus forcing ligiments and tendons to work harder/differently to how they are designed to thus promoting injury. I am going back in a couple of weeks for some custom orthotics and linked with core stability excercises and stretching and a sensible training program I should stand a better chance of avoiding future injuries.
Does anyone know about the possibilities of more things going wrong if you use orthotics? My physio recomended an off the shelf pair (gaitors I think) they're only half length and wouldn't fit in any of my shoes properly. I questioned him about the fact that my road shoes are designed to control pronation with different grades of rubber etc, he just looked at me blankly and told me it would be okay.
What do you think? It seems that technology in the shoes these days helps a lot. Would you need a neutral road shoe if you wanted to use insoles? With the constant change in terrain on the fells does it really make a difference to have insoles?
For full length custom orthotics you would have to take the existing insole out and replace with the orthotic. I believe the rubber compound in the heel on an overpronating shoe is harder on the outer edge where a shoe for neutral runners has a more even hardness so therefore it would make sense to still purchase an overpronating shoe even if you replace the insole. Half length orthotics are mainly for use in normal shoes.
The point about running on uneven ground is one I wondered about but I think all things considered it would be better to use them than not as you are not striking angled ground every step, especially on boggy ground.
The guy I am going back to see next week is a 'leading light' in orthotics and lectures part time at universities on their benefits. I will get his take on useage on rough ground.
orthotics are pretty controversial, with no evidence that they are of much use.
Pronation is pretty useful, but if you do pronate excessivley (and this is causing your problem) you need to find out why (and where in the foot you lose control, its not always the back of the foot). for example you could pronate because your calf is tight and your ankle has nowhere to go, or due to your hip control, or due to having no pelvic control, or due to your overusing one side of your body, or maybe its the structural nature of your foot, or your big toe is stiff, maybe you have a tight big toe flexor, or just a weak ankle inverters, etc etc etc................. its not as simple as "i pronate, therefore i need orthotics"
from my experience a well thought through, well made and well designed orthotic can be useful for some people. and for others an off the shelf orthotic may be great while you work on some hip and pelvic control, then when hip control is good bring them out of the orthotic and they don't pronate any more, for others just stretch whats tight, and for a few tell them to weight bare evenly and bingo they pronate less......... (and occassionaly mobalise a joint in the back and you realise its a neurodynamic problem)
so i think what i'm trying to say is that everyone is different and there is no one answer fits all, but good luck trying to find it!
completely agree!! And you can see exactly that from this thread. it's just a shame it costs so much to do the finding out :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by RVN
Ady who are you seeing for your orthotics, is it Barry Richards?
I've just got my orthotics back and they are a lot better, he's shaved loads of them now so there not as 'bulky' so going to wear them in every day shoes for a week to see how I get on with them and then try them on a run, so fingers crossed!
I am seeing Nick Dinsdale in Clitheroe. I have known about him for a number of years, he has quite an impressive track record. He is currently assisting a leading Swiss manufacturer of orthotics with product development. I'm not saying that the orthotics are going to be a fix all but the way he has explained a lot of things makes more sense then any physio I have seen.
Keep us up to date how you get on!
As the weeks passed whilst trying to get the orthotics right, all the sizing and stuff. Where you paying to see him as well. I have a feeling this could get expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by hopey
£35 initial physio
£45 Gait analysis
£180 Orthotics
£35 quid to see if they work.
£35 to confirm they did not work.
£35 to retest them
£35 for more physio.
Am I being a cynic about the clinic
Jamie
You got it wrong Jamie
£35 initial physio
£45 Gait analysis
£180 (-£45 from gate analysis) Orthotics
£0 quid to see if they work.
£0 to confirm they did not work.
£0 to retest them
£35 for more physio.
Thats not bad at all.
Im only in for Gait test at the minute, Its defo worth having done.
Typical me this, the one thing Im reasonably good at and enjoy I cant even do properly and in a straight line.
:(
Join the club mateQuote:
Originally Posted by NotOnUrHelly
whats wrong with nhs , and its free ???
Lilactime, been waiting since September for nhs appt. Phoned yesterday and told I was on list, likely to be end Feb/ beginning March. I have orthoses from Graham Read. They haven't made pf go away, but I can run.Quote:
Originally Posted by lilactime
I got 4 hours + orthotics for £130. Top orthotics geezer. Much more stability, let's see if it leads to an injury free race winning future...........
fair enough if you cant afford to wait . ive got pf and my nhs physio has told me off the shelf superfeet are ideal for me , its the stretching and ultrasound that seems to be helping my pf , also strict instructions not to run until it is completely clear . ive just got to accept the fact i probly wont be running for a while yet .Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
I've had various types of orthotics for over 20 years now, the first ones were a bit of a help, but made from some rigid plastic stuff:eek: . Now I get foam half foot ones from the NHS, lucky to live near an Orthopaedic hospital. They totally revolutionised my life, when I got good foam ones, after I had resigned myself to constant knee pain and early onset arthritis!
Anyway, Be wary of control shoes and orthotics as you'll be doing the job twice, I got some adidas control trainers and they killed the outside of my arch. I now use Asics 1100s. I know I can't use offroad trainers with my orthoses though, as I need the sponginess to replace what my foot isn't doing. Are these superfeet any good?
Scania Girl, are you saying that the orthotics got rid of the knee pain. Was the early on set arthritis
diagnosed ?
or just you being worried about it ?
Also I take it you only use them in your road shoes.
Sorry about the questions,just starting with knee pain. I am considering orthotics after a podiatrists recommendation. Although he says he cant be sure that they will work.
Thanks
Jamie
Hi ScaniagirlQuote:
Originally Posted by scaniagirl
I've mentioned earlier that I use to sell Superfeet and yes they are good
BUT..they won't cure all problems and and might not cure yours, I would say go to a reputable shop that is trained in fitting them properly ask if you can take a pair for your Podiatrist to look at if you are not sure. A good shop shouldn't have a problem with this. (obviously do not use them and keep the box/reciept etc)
DO NOT buy a pair off the shelf with out someone sizing them up for you.
Stand on them in the shop and make sure the instep is where you need support and not too far back. They are supposed to be cut down .
If you PM me your location I'll try and find a shop that sells them locally.
Any other forumites used them and what did they think?
Yep I use green superfeet in fell and trail shoes. I'm under a hospital consultant for arthritus in big toe joints and have other associated problems. Couldn't run without them!
In ordinary shoes I have custom orthotics which I get from a hospital podiatrist free of charge. Podiatrist and surgeon think that superfeet are good for me. However as mentioned above everyone has a different problem.
Run about 25 miles per week mainly off road and also crosstrain at the gym to reduce impact. Will need surgery eventually, but the consultant is doing everything to help delay this.