I know a few who do grouse beating.
Is that the same?
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I know a few who do grouse beating.
Is that the same?
Yes, cap doffing paid lackies of the bastards. It may be a day of exercise on the moor, but it supports driven grouse shooting, which results in the illegal persecution of raptors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
This is good news. The RSPB has also decided to mount a legal challenge to Natural England's decision to license brood management. Excellent! Well done to Mark Avery & Crowd funding for leading the way. I know it's a long way to go but maybe this will show the bully boys that our beautiful Hen Harriers have a thousand voices shouting up for them. http://r.mail.crowdjustice.com/1a2opp917jale3f.html
Good stuff. Brood Management is permission to kill harriersQuote:
Originally Posted by RaceTheSweeper
I appreciate your beliefs Matt, but please justify this statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattPo
Have a read of this short presentation about conservation conflict management, in our case (mid Wales) concerning curlew, but applies to any conservation conflict. http://www.curlewcall.org/wp-content...paths-talk.pdf
Personally I think Mark Avery's approach is wrong and will do little to improve matters for the Hen Harrier (I do want more Hen Harriers, so please don't jump to other conclusions). I think he is obsessed with bringing an end to grouse shooting/moors and using the Hen Harrier debate as a tool for his wants.
I belief brood management is a considerable move forward for the good of hen harriers in the short term, it's a start and will result in more hen harriers spread throughout England, into areas where there are none, I cannot see why anyone is against that? I read a Mark Avery post about his latest plans and he was (IMO) economical with the truth and I don't believe he does conservation of hen harriers any favours.
Please excuse my ignorance but does Brood Management refer to the grouse or hen harrier? By the way, as a young lad, in Mid-Wales, we used to gather curlew and lapwing eggs to eat. How times have changed!
Basically, under licence, when hen harriers and their nests reach a certain density in a grouse moor area, eggs may be removed, hatched and reared in captivity and then released into other areas where there are no hen harriers. A proven method that has been used around the world for other species, including used by the RSPB who object so strongly to this (having first agreed to it).
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/i...lp-hen-harrier
I take it from your name you are an ex Llanidloes boy? We lived there for 25 years and now a bit further south.
https://www.grough.co.uk/magazine/20...f-prey-decline
I think this states the case that Driven Grouse shooting is bad for raptors.
Llani born and bredQuote:
Originally Posted by molehill
Brood Meddling , Hen Harriers shouldn't be be shot and poisoned on grouse moors in the first place.
Does anyone recognise these individuals
https://raptorpersecutionscotland.wo...national-park/
This needs to be stopped
On a more positive note, the most successful hen harrier breeding season in England for a decade, with 21 of the 34 chicks (60%) fledged from land managed for grouse shooting. Now let's hope the protection continues and they survive to breed further, good news.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/h...eeding-success
http://ww2.rspb.org.uk/community/our...nexpected.aspx
Seems to have got away with this lightly in my view.
https://www.grough.co.uk/magazine/20...oting-two-owls
Good. I spent 4 hrs running above Swaledale on Saturday and saw no birds of prey, but a lot of grouse
Well, if this is the modern face of grouse moor keepering then the UK ought to be totally ashamed of itself...
https://raptorpersecutionscotland.wo...e-grouse-moor/
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I lived in Wharfedale for 14 years and never saw a fox once locally in that time
Now you know why!
I kind of knew but this just confirms things
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...-in-five-years
Unbelievable!
Runner raising awareness
https://raptorpersecutionscotland.wo...-grouse-moors/
Good post that Andy:)
Another one bites the peat.
This is a NATIONAL DISGRACE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=Q6NISg9pkYw
https://www.grough.co.uk/magazine/20...icides-in-body
There are some nasty bastards out there!
It's all on countryfile now.
https://www.grough.co.uk/magazine/20...oors-cage-trap
Somethings never change
A good news story at last. Saw a hen harrier when running up there a few weeks ago. https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/coun...g-3065370?s=09
https://www.grough.co.uk/magazine/20...zzard-shooting
Using a tethered eagle owl to lure raptors in - so they can be shot. Some grouse moor game keepers are beyond contempt.
Ospreys are on the increase in Wales and there are now 6 or more nests. Last night some bastard cut down a tree with a nest in it at Llyn Brennig. They had just layed their first egg of the year. Why!
I am assuming it was a malicious act. Like you say. Why?
Its not as if Ospreys take young grouse. They are fish eaters and I know some anglers who fish the Clywedog who are proud to fish alongside such magnificent creatures.
Talking of the Clywedog, I had a look at the Ospreys nest at Cwm Biga as you did last week MP. In one way I feel a bit sorry for them as all the trees around them have been felled in the last few years leaving their platform exposed. They obviously don't mind though!
Being so open it makes them easier to locate by friend or foe but it probably also gives them more security.
It's a bit of a weird one as to why, they had to take a boat and chainsaw out there and I'm guessing it was on camera - judging by the exact time of the offence that the police released.
Could be a very disgruntled angler or farmer? Doubt it was an egg collector!
The ospreys fly through here and sometimes pause when they migrate to the mid Wales sights and I've watched them on clywedog too.
Two buzzards found dead and poisoned in a wood in upper Teesdale this week. According to the local newspaper, two people are 'helping the Police with their inquiries'. Sickening carnage of these beautiful birds.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-60156311
I rest my case. Bastard
Both found whilst flicking through my normal internet links.
The gamekeeper and buzzard case has some similarities to a case I was involved with in the llanidloes area some years back.
Was educational to follow the case through in court to the end, with all the twists and turns. Both BASC and RSPB provided expert evidence (working together) for the prosecution, but he got off most of it which was jaw droppingly ridiculous - magistrates at fault there.
But I had him later!
There really are some seriously disturbed f*ckwits out there. Chainsawing Osprey nests. Just WHY?? I despair of my fellow human at times, I really do.