Was going to go for a bike ride this morning before the wind and rain arrives later but feeling a bit lethargic.
Whether it is anything to do with yesterdays jab or not who knows.
Just going to take it easy and potter up the allotment.
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Was going to go for a bike ride this morning before the wind and rain arrives later but feeling a bit lethargic.
Whether it is anything to do with yesterdays jab or not who knows.
Just going to take it easy and potter up the allotment.
Thats how I felt Llani...just a bit off colour.
Both the wife and I had the OAZ and both felt really rough about 6 hours later. Lasted for about 36 hours but paracetamol helps. Others we know have had no side effects so seems to be a bit of a lottery.
I was chatting to a doctor who said if you do feel rough after the vaccination, this might be a sign of a more pronounced immunological response to the vaccine.
While that doesn't change anything, it might alter people's perceptions around feeling a bit rubbish for a day after the jab.
This came up in one of the ZOE Covid Webinars - there was felt to be no relationship between vaccination side effects and vaccination effectiveness, but I suspect there will be a wide spectrum of opinion on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel
Those receiving the AZ injection had on average more side effects than those receiving the Pfizer injection, though the side effects tended to go down with the second AZ injection, and up with the second Pfizer injection. If people had had Covid, they had more side effects on average than those who had not had it, no matter which injection they had.
I had no side effects whatsoever, not even a sore arm. Unless you feel rotten, I would suggest leaving as soon as you are done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark G
Interesting, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike T
The conversation was sparked by a colleague of his who had experienced quite a few side effects after their second dose of the Pfizer vaccine.
Interesting. I've never had any symptoms so not had a test but as both my wife and daughter have both tested positive on separate occasions, I'm not sure how I could have avoided it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike T
Presumably, the powers that be have organised this so we'll definitely get the same type of vaccine when we turn up (even at a different venue) for the second dose.
Unless documentation of the first type of vaccine that was given is lost, or, that vaccine for some reason is not available, the plan is for people to "stick" with the one vaccine. It is possible that mixing them up would give even better protectionQuote:
Originally Posted by Mossdog
MikeQuote:
Originally Posted by Mike T
What is the current medical thinking for the future?
I understand that the current annual flu jab is slightly different each year and based on the strain experienced in Australia in their earlier winter. Sometimes the strain that arrives in Europe is not the same and so the jab is less effective.
Now I know that flu and Covid are not the same but with Covid developing variants and uncertainty about how long the current vaccines will be effective for and differences between them - I was wondering what the current medical thinking is on the need for future - maybe even annual - vaccination?
Graham
I suspect we will end up with a situation similar to influenza vaccination - an annual injection that will be tweaked every year depending on the variants prevalent at the time. And as with influenza, there may be an age below which it is not worthwhile. It is possible it could be combined with that for influenza. Having said that, I have not seen a definitive statement on any of this from the experts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham Breeze
Four of the common cold viruses are coronaviruses, and we are used to them so they only cause limited harm. One thought is that if we were not used to them, they would be just as devastating as Covid 19.
Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike T
I always have my flu jab and I have never had flu in my life and I will be happy if what you suggest comes to pass.
What's the chances that the annual flu and CV vaccine jabs will be combined into one (like MMR) in a kind of 'fluvid' jab?
It is reported today that my Local Authority area, Derbyshire Dales has the highest Covid rate in the country which is not good news.
However, when you look beyond the headline it is because there has been a spike in cases at Sudbury Open Prison. Without this spike Derbyshire Dales would be at the lower end of the league table.
It shows, that even with figures that are no doubt true, the overall picture or impression given can be skewed.
I suspect we will end up with a combined injection, but it may take a few years for this to be fully sorted out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mossdog
AZ. Are we talking blood clots or Euro Clots! Gotta be political sour-grapes don't you think?
After the fuss about early deliveries, I hope they are going to pay for all they are contracted to take.
I'm wondering if we'll use them in the UK instead.
Absolutely. We'll have it all back please.
I do wonder what the people of those countries must be thinking, can you imagin the uproar in the UK if our jabs were suddenly cancelled now?
Sacré bleu!:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by molehill
You can’t help but think that this is a politically based decision and not grounded in science (not dissimilar to many of the bonkers decisions or lack of decisions made by Boris over the past year).
I know that in France for instance there’s higher distrust in the population over the taking of the vaccine (any vaccine) and irony of ironies you can see the French government wanting to come over as ultra considered and cautious on vaccine use so as to somehow double down on ensuring more of the population do get vaccinated in the long run. It’s doing the wrong thing perhaps but with the ultimate goal in mind
Meanwhile I guess a few more French (German and Italian) people might die because of the delay
I would be pretty miffed, especially since I am due to have my jab on Saturday.Quote:
Originally Posted by molehill
I suspect AstraZeneca wishes it could tear up it's contract with the EU, given all the nonsense they've had to put up with from the EU and some of the member states. And to think AstraZeneca are supplying their vaccine at cost until the end of the pandemic. Pfizer on the other hand, which seems exempt from any criticism will make billions.
I'm sure when Boris goes to India he will offer his mate Narendra some cheap vaccines.
I can't see many pharmaceutical companies opening, expanding or re-locating in the EU any time soon.
Interesting now 9 months on there are some interesting stats in the latest UK HSA Surveillance Report (week 49) which in simple terms reflects November(weeks 45-48)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheeze
It's hard to make a case that we have to worry about covid vaccination hesitant folk based on the current data.
I'll give you a few of the key points.
98.4% of the adult population now have Covid anti-bodies, which suggests that over 90% of the unvaccinated have anti-bodies.
Only 14.6% of all adult cases were unvaccinated.
35.5% of all cases were in the under 18s.
Only 19.3% of adult deaths were among the unvaccinated.
Further ONS data shows
The number of Covid Patients in UK hospitals recent peak was 9669 on 1/11 and is now at 7339 which is a 24% drop in a month.
The number of Covid admissions to UK hospital recent peak was 1150 on 27/10 and is now at 729 which is a drop of 37% in a month.
The number of Covid patients needing mechanical ventilation in UK hospitals recent peak was 1034 on 4/11 and is now 880 which is a drop of 15% in a month.
Bear in mind these figures aren't coming off one of the high spikes (almost 40k in hospital early Jan) they are coming off a slight pick up in October.
The only covid metric going in the wrong direction at the moment is that of cases, which is driven by politically driven testing of kids in schools.
But that casedemic and the arrival of the new seemingly toothless moronic variant has given this omnishambles of a Government the opportunity to change the media narrative away from their lies, deceptions and quite possibly corruption.
Its been the case that the link between infection and hospitalisation/death has been significantly eroded for all of this autumn/early winter peak. How do we know that 98% of population have antibodies? I ain't been tested....so it must a guestimate, surely?
Meaningless statistics, unless you tell us the proportion of the population that is unvaccinated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
We have an anagram specialist:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
Well, I can't fault that analysis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
Whatever! We are all doomed!
I can’t quite believe ‘studies’ are still coming out suggesting we’re going to have untold number of cases and deaths in a few weeks if nothing more is done. Haven’t the mathematicians learnt that they have overestimated on this disease all the way through, leading to government panic? They should stop these modelling studies based on the fact they’ve haven’t modelled anything correctly yet!
Ye gods! But then we'd have to confront the implications of our own mortality and fragility. Data, data, data- that's what's going to get us through this. Using the wonders of the clockwork universe we shall predict and compute our way out of this pandemic and, in our hour of glory, we shall marvel at the imperiousness of classical mechanics. Any frivolous ideas like stress in the mind weakening the body's immune responses are snake oil, there is no point in keeping calm and carrying on.Quote:
Originally Posted by brummievet
In 10 minutes time Boris is making a statement on Covid. I can leak what this is.
"Having consulted with all experts we have reached the conclusion that nobody has a friggin clue what happens next. Happy Christmas."
Actually, I would happily settle for that on honesty value alone.
Page 4 of the UK HSA Surveillance Report Week 49 (which covers weeks 45-58 ie November)is a figure they come up with from the blood donor service.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheeze
Around 20% of adults are unvaccinated.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonykay
I don't claim credit for the anagram which I pinched from elsewhere :)
Isn't that itself a skewed sample, only a certain age group are eligible to give blood and presumably certain demographics are more likely to volunteer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
Harsh truth is that most of the cases in ITU are unvaccinated, according to those who work there. Its not fair on folks who need ITU care for other reasons.
One of my major gripes is the number of professional sportsmen/women who have not been vaccinated even though the Government have bent over backwards to keep the precious little things playing their games and travelling all over the world.
A "stat" on Sky News last night stated that 75% of EFL players had either been double jabbed, jabbed, or were thinking about being jabbed. A meaningless "stat" other than we can deduce that 25% were not going to get a jab.
A disgraceful state of affairs and the authorities should put their foot down and not allow participation in professional sport unless proof of vaccination is provided.
I think that these cosseted sportsmen/women, heroes to many, are just taking the piss.
On the subject of Llani's post, i think that any professional football team who have unvaccinated players should be prevented from calling off a game... they should be deducted the points.
I've got my 3rd jab tomorrow, hoping it won't have any negative effects carrying over to racing on sunday.
I had my third vaccination on Wednesday this week. Whereas my first two (AstraZeneca) had zero side-effects, apart from a little tiredness, this Pfizer booster left with an arm that was painful enough to disturb my sleep the following night (more than 12 hours later). And the actual injection was rather painful, whereas I had hardly felt anything with the first two.