Olympics 2012

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Originally Posted by Multiterrainer

As no-one's yet mentioned the greatest ever 800m runner (& race) - awesome World record tonight by David Rudisha:thumbup:....but just as awesome are the fact that 2nd & 3rd place runners are 18 & 17 respectively!

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Probably the best performance of the games for me. Incredible race all round, if Andrew Osagie had ran that time at the last Olympics apparently it would have won him gold, yet here it only got him 7th.

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Originally Posted by Dynamo Dan

The French sprinter is a convicted doper. What's this evidence you speak of with regard to BC?

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Listen Dan you were telling us Wiggin's was clean yet recently he was a number 5 on the UCI suspicion list. Anyone who understands the basis of that list or even makes the effort to understand would be much more careful about making such sweeping statements.

Where's Graham Breeze in all this? I would have thought he'd have something to add to the British hysteria. Oh I almost forgot, he promised never to watch cycling again if Contador was banned. :)

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Originally Posted by christopher leigh

Listen Dan you were telling us Wiggin's was clean yet recently he was a number 5 on the UCI suspicion list. Anyone who understands the basis of that list or even makes the effort to understand would be much more careful about making such sweeping statements.

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So there is no evidence? Apart from a UCI document, which was leaked two years ago when Wiggins performed terribly in Le Tour.

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Originally Posted by christopher leigh

The authorities governing sport need to start publishing the results of the blood and urine tests so they can be scrutinised by the public. Too much covering up is done by the scientists and governing bodies to hoodwink the public into believing they are rooting out the cheats, when really they are not.

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The public are all well trained and qualified judge on this matter then???

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Originally Posted by christopher leigh

Where's Graham Breeze in all this? I would have thought he'd have something to add to the British hysteria. Oh I almost forgot, he promised never to watch cycling again if Contador was banned. :)

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CL - 'The Devil's Own' kindly started a new thread for you to 'debate' drug use (or otherwise) in sport, I'm guessing he was hoping you wouldn't hijack this thread but hey-ho ...http://forum.fellrunner.org.uk/showt...PO-yawn-part-2

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Originally Posted by Multiterrainer

CL - 'The Devil's Own' kindly started a new thread for you to 'debate' drug use (or otherwise) in sport, I'm guessing he was hoping you wouldn't hijack this thread but hey-ho ...http://forum.fellrunner.org.uk/showt...PO-yawn-part-2

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I'm not a fan of 'The Devil's Own' so I'll stay here thanks.

Olympians used to be selected from just a few million people, almost purely European, then it was hundreds of millions, now it is from billions. There will always be statistical outliers, and the greater the total numbers, the more extreme the outliers will be, particularly if we embrace the genetic diversity in Africa and Asia. People have also woken up to going for medals, rather than records, which means fast finishes. This is my naive explanation for what we have seen in the last 2 weeks. It may well turn out that one or two performances have been drug/transfusion enhanced, but should we not wait until the evidence emerges?

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Originally Posted by Dynamo Dan

So there is no evidence? Apart from a UCI document, which was leaked two years ago when Wiggins performed terribly in Le Tour.

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The UCI document doesn't float around in mid air seperate to the facts. It is a 'who to target' based upon a dodgy blood passport, as L'equippe pointed out at the time. Incidently USADA are using the blood passport evidence in an attempt to take Armstrong down. They are doing the job the UCI didn't have the courage to do based upon blood tests taken from the 2010 tour which they (UCI) interpreted as clean. Since Armstrong was one below Wiggins on the list perhaps we should additionally hand over his passport to the USADA. Maybe then we wouldn't have so many cover ups.

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Originally Posted by Mike T

Olympians used to be selected from just a few million people, almost purely European, then it was hundreds of millions, now it is from billions. There will always be statistical outliers, and the greater the total numbers, the more extreme the outliers will be, particularly if we embrace the genetic diversity in Africa and Asia. People have also woken up to going for medals, rather than records, which means fast finishes. This is my naive explanation for what we have seen in the last 2 weeks. It may well turn out that one or two performances have been drug/transfusion enhanced, but should we not wait until the evidence emerges?

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Yes if the authorities weren't involved in cover ups. Since they are we have to work things out for ourselves which means looking at all the evidence not just the arrival of positive tests that will in all likelyhood never come.