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Utd, is is then.
Stagger
Oh dear.
Still twists lower down but I feel its all over.
It was over 2 weeks ago! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
Tick Tock.... Counting down to number 20
Even better if we win it at the Council House
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Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry
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I'll admit to being a little disappointed this eveningQuote:
Originally Posted by TheHeathens
but I'll keep supporting my team
I'll definitely live with second place at our first real title attempt
Mostly, however, I'll be happy to have seen some great footie and to have been so proud of City this season - EVEN COMING SECOND.
I am a City supporter, I still support them even when we lose. Sometimes you lose footie matches, izza football.:)
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Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry
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I know it's not over yet...fat lady singing and all that but you threw it away. This is the worst title winning Utd team in my lifetime and still MCFC couldn't beat them, despite spending £650m on players?Quote:
Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry
You will win it eventually because if you throw unlimited money at it, you will finally conquer it. That said, i think you'll do well to stand still next season once Tevez, Aguero & Balotelli leave this summer.
Ferguson proved he was still top dog this season, the rest are mere pretenders.
I don't think Man Utd are as bed as you make them out to be. They played some fantastic football early on until the 1-6 to City. They then regrouped and got going again with very few slips along the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHeathens
2 points dropped since Scholes came back - that's got to rank amongst the best second halves of the season they have had.
The failure in Europe is perhaps what downgrades this team, but I think that is because they are one of the most inexperienced Utd teams ever to play in Europe. They will learn. Jones, Smalling, Raphael, Cleverley, Welbeck, Evans, Young - I think they've grown during the season, gained invaluable experience and I think this is the start of another great Fergie team.
I think that reflects on the lack of quality in the Premier League this season to be honest. We're missing strength in midfield and were lucky that Scholes still 'has it'.
The 6-1 result was the best thing to happen to us this season though, it made us stop trying to be flash harrys (note : Danbert) and start grinding out results when we weren't playing well.
Agreed. I absolutely despise them with every fibre of my being, but they have showed resilience, desire and resolve over the last 2 months - we've shown petulance, nerves and a lack of ideas. Our time will come, we'll come back stronger next season with this experience behind us. Tick Tock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
Who do you fancy as your next manager Danbert? :closed:
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Originally Posted by Derby Tup
Mancini must be retained, we must avoid a knee-jerk reaction and see the steady progression and longer term benefits of stability. We have been down the knee jerk, sack 'em way before - look what it did for us.
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Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry
If we're 10 clear by the derby you'll have to clap us onto the pitch as champions - one draw for you and us carrying on winning will do it. Oh yes.:thumbup:
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Originally Posted by The General
We are still on course for our best season in the league for 35 bloody years, our best ever in the premier league era. We are in next years champions league. We have played the best football i've ever witnessed (including the Bell, Summerbee, Lee team.)
Of course we are hurting because the league was so close and is now slipping away. Of course the bile from the media is galling. Of course the Tevez situation has pissed us all off. Of course we are annoyed about the refereeing decisions that have made it that much easier for you rags to keep hold of the title.
But remember this: you are hanging on by your fingertips. Yes it looks like you have clung on this season. But our time is coming. This season may be ending in a disappointing way, but it is still our best season in living memory. We are coming. Tick tock.
Danbert, you should be a politicians' spin doctor with what you are writing. :D
Next season, good luck, gutted Man U won overall but chuffed to bits with Arsenal still possibly being in champions league, after our start, I'm happy!!
Danbert, you've been saying the same thing since 2009!Quote:
Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry
As it happens, if Man Utd and Man City carry on their respective form, this could be United's biggest winning margin in the Premier League era (although not checked the figures) despite it being the worst title winning Utd team (if we win!), notwithstanding the young age of the squad.
Ballotellis played his last game for City.. where have I heard that one before...Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHeathens
Fergie would never hang out a youngster like that. I hope we sign him. He's an idiot, but could be guided to be one of the best in the world.. at the moment he's a long way off that, which I don't think he realises..
Still a way to go.. Wigan away next, they are doing their usual end of season heroics, so no easy task.. West Brom looked to be in that end of season lull but then turned up at the weekend, so both could drop points..
I don't think it's all over at all, especially as we still have to go to City, but as it is I fancy us to get something from their anyway. Think there is some premature celebrations by United fans... also City fans throwing the towell in too early. Look at City's form, that's how quick things change.
Remember - we went to your house and turned you over. You were so worried by it, that your club who normally gives a pretty decent account on all fronts went out of all the cups with a whimper. As a consequence you lost tens of millions of pounds trying to keep up with us. The truth is, you were more obsessed with catching us than anything else this season. And this aint gonna change anytime soon. We are like a road train in your rear-view mirror and no matter how fast you go we will eventually smash you to oblivion. Tick Tock Heathens :w00t:Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHeathens
18 Points is the record. Utd beating Arsenal in the 99/00 season.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHeathens
But you've said that every season for the last 3/4 seasons.... and despite your millions & millions spent, you're still 8 points adrift..... Like last season, this season has been an abject failure for you. The expectation was the league and you look like you're going to fall well short.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry
I'm not worried about City - you will win it over the next few years, probably by buying every single Premier League player, but there's no way that you're gonna go on and dominate. Once Ferguson leaves, no single club will dominate as Utd have done.
That 1-6 defeat effectively won us the title so cheers!
Ridiculous. This isn't abject failure, it's not even a low point for us, it's not what we wanted but how is being the second best team in the league abject failure?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHeathens
As City fans we know all about abject failure, losing at Stoke City and thus being relegated to the third tier of English football was abject failure and was also the lowest i've ever felt about any sport ever, that and maybe the start of the season in Division 3, when we didnt have a pot to piss in and a huge playing staff of total shit that we couldnt afford. The club was teetering on the edge of oblivion.
Each season under Mancini we have got stronger, there is nothing to suggest we wont be stronger again next season, and you are going the other way... As the Stone Roses said, the past was yours but the futures mine.:w00t:
In a nut shell..Quote:
Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry
We have no rear view mirror.. its no our mentality. We look forwards, who's next? City were too intent looking over their shoulder worrying about how we were doing they forgot about just getting on with their own job...
United don't worry about others at this stage, one game at a time, keep winning and see what happens..
You may not realise it, but this is why we are what we are. Each win builds more success, it gives the Jones's, Smallings, Evans's et al that experience of winning and they'll take on the mantle from the Scholes'.. it's why we have had 20 year success. Has a 'team' ever had such continuity.. from Pallister, Bruce et al through to this team..
I don't think this team is that bad either. They dominate possession well. We could do with 1-2 more players, but we have strength and height throughout. I think our team of 8 years ago was weaker. Carrick is the most underrated player in Europe. He's been superb this year.
4 years ago it was inevitable Liverpool would eventually win the league, they never got over the line, Leeds seemed to have broken into that elite group, they fell away.. their seems a certainty City are here for good.. the longer we hold them off the more chance the Sheikh could walk away.. and also the harder it is for you to get over the line..
Eh? How are we going the other way? Young squad.. our form clearly shows improvement.. I know using such bland statistics as form, league table etc may be cheating.. but it does suggest this team has got stronger and stronger as the season has progressed..Quote:
Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry
Iain in 1999, United were in a Champions league final, winning it with a flukey late goal. City were in a division 3 play off final getting through with a well timed and perfect late goal. Forward wind 13 years and United consider it a huge succsess to beat little City to the title having been kicked out of all cups and humiliated in Europe, ultimatly by an average side. City have played the best football of the season, have lead for most of it, have never been out the top 4 and managed by a quirk of fate to not qualify for Europe DESPITE getting 10 points and will finish in their best possition for a generation. United on the way down...City on the way up. Simple as that.:w00t:Quote:
Originally Posted by IainR
Do you not realise that City's cooing is just firing United up..Quote:
Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry
Yes.. 13 years later we still sit at the top.. Look at our points total back in 1999? We hit form at the right time that year.. over the course of the year we weren't that good.
We've been more consistent this year but in Europe we got taken to the cleaners and mistakes cost us. That year we drew 4 of 6 games but qualified. We then started playing.
I think once in the Europa the players were more interested in the league and Fergie's resting of key players led to that attitude.. but the league is your bread and butter..
If 8 wins on the bounce is us on the way down.. long may it continue...
Yeah we do consider it a success to beat you. You have spent 100's of millions on the best players in the world. You have the best players, the strongest squad. We've been back to our bare bones, had to call up a geriatric midfielder (who you said after the City FA cup game wasn't up to the job..) yet we've still forged on..
You can't by that attitude.
You've been unlucky this year.. you should be sitting at the top.. United have by chance got 79 points from 32 games.. have a better goal difference.. just lucky of course.. its now been 20 years of luck.. but we have an alcoholic manager who has somehow won 4 major european trophies, 15 +? league titles.. and one day his luck will run out and people will realise he's just bought success through his career... and been lucky.. of course we realise this teams awful and Fergie's just lucky...
34 points out of last 36, typical Man U and fair play to them. Think a few of the comments about the 1-6 result are good, it acted as a motivator for them. Fergie as a manager pure class, he's spent but spent wisely (on the whole), can't knock him however much I wold love to. Respect where respect is due. Now do Arsenal a favour and don't batter us next time we play!!!!
He's the master at resting players.. in a world cup year our players come back later than the rest.. we also give players mid season breaks and its no coincidence that come March we hit form. It doesn't always work, but he's brave with it. He also trusts the players he has. Mancini doesn't. He trusts very few, hence why the likes of Johnson don't get playing time. I think he's got a lot to answer for this year and he's lashing out at his own players, touch line antics have also lead to their unsettling..
Ballotelli is what he is. You can't blame him for that, Mancini knew what he was getting and has to take responsibility. If you can't manage them, let them go.
Weren't Chelsea going to take over? Sure they've won some pots and been a threat, but with the spending power available you would expect that. City will likewise be a threat, but unlike a few years ago, there's a lot of money flying around and chasing the same few players that often don't work out.
It won't be as easy for City to win a title as Chelsea - and Chelsea still haven't won a champions league.
The tradition, the youth development and scouting, also the mentality of the signings. Utd's success is built on may things with buying power only being a partial element.
Your yardstick is Man Utd; after spending as much as you have, do you think United would be satisfied with second?Quote:
Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry
You personally have been saying we're in terminal decline for 3 seasons now yet with an apparently senile manager, we've won the league twice whilst MCFC have bottled it twice. Factor in Aguero, Tevez and Balotelli leaving this summer and your squad starts to look shaky.
Tick tock Danbert
Rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHeathens
This is the best city team since the 1967/68 team
we are second with 6 games to go
we have a + 50 goal diff
we have had a great season
we are building a one billion pound training complex for the future
we are only at phase two of the project.... three to go
its difficult to win the league and we are still in our infancy in competing with the big boys.
Our time will come and you know it.
Tick Tock
How are you still in your infancy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry
Your squad is as experienced as United's.. your average age is greater.. Take away giggs, scholes and ferdinand and you probably have more titles.. when you spend 300 million you are in direct competition with the big boys.. you buy players with experience of competing at that level.. A league winning manager.. assistant manager..
There's a fat journalist in the mirror saying Beckham is finished at the top level.. they've been saying this for 4 years... he keeps proving people wrong.. eventually.. inevitably he will be finished and he can say 'I told you so'..Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHeathens
All teams have good and bad periods.. the fact is that we've been hearing that Fergie and United's current successful period is over since selling Ince in 1995.. then we lost Cantona... then we lost Schmeichel... then Wenger created the invincibles..then Roman and Mourinho came in...then we lost keane.. then our core of young players got old... Then City got their money.. then we lost Tevez and Ronaldo... you've got to admire the consistency of these people..
It'll be a great relief when after almost 20 years, probably more, United do have a bad period.. they can finally go.. 'see I told you do..'..
Oh what pleasure it will be to for us wrap up the title at the city ground.. I don't think it will happen, but I can hope. It will probably be the end for Mancini, which I think is unfair considering the tosspots he has playing for him.
When Fergie let Tevez go, how many people from Man City were berating him? Thousands!!
Fergie knows best, nearly always..... he does on some occasions get it wrong, but it is uncommon. Yes I would have preferred to keep Gerard Pique before anyone starts coming up with names.
Pique was different.. at the time Rio and Vidic were dominant and fit.. with a few years left to play.. had he been here 2-3 years later we'd have given him enough game time for him to slowly adapt and play in the english game.. but off no game time he couldn't get a game against 2 of the best in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by silentrunner
A happy squad is a healthy squad and sometimes you have to let young players go, I'd have rather we sent him on loan but once Barca knocked offering game time we had little choice..
I hope we keep Pogba..
Good news for Forest fans, I didn't realise they were back in the Premier League..:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by silentrunner
Look at where I'm from, it's not Robin Hood country mate!!:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Muddy Retriever
...ah but the City Ground is definitely in 'Robin Hood' country. ;):rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by silentrunner
Okay then.. if you want to be fussy, City's ground!Quote:
Originally Posted by Multiterrainer