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Originally Posted by Witton Park

and that's just to protect them from themselves

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Ok, so They took the scissors off me but I am still allowed crayons.
The blue crayons, write bad words.

Potentially some big news

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-on-free-move/

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In comments seen as a significant shift, the German Chancellor suggested that the European Union needs to “discuss further” the rules around freedom of movement.

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You could argue this is as much to do with the drifting electorate withing the rEU as it is Brexit.

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Originally Posted by Mike T

Interesting that the word of the year is "post-truth" - a similar concept is post-debate - opinions matter more than truth; debate is pointless as opinions are fixed.

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It's not true and I'll give a good example. Some years ago Stolly was mocking folk on here for discussing politics. He thought the forum a wrong place to discuss serious matters. He even insisted that he never took 'things too seriously,' which became quite amusing when we discovered he was only annoyed with the politics thread because it diverted attention from his own adventure thread.

Anyway my point is if opinions are fixed Stolly wouldn't be on a politics thread taking things seriously.

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Originally Posted by CL

It's not true and I'll give a good example. Some years ago Stolly was mocking folk on here for discussing politics. He thought the forum a wrong place to discuss serious matters. He even insisted that he never took 'things too seriously,' which became quite amusing when we discovered he was only annoyed with the politics thread because it diverted attention from his own adventure thread.

Anyway my point is if opinions are fixed Stolly wouldn't be on a politics thread taking things seriously.

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'Some years ago' I was trapped in a marriage from hell and really needed cheering up :)

This might cheer you up. Last night I switched the radio on to hear: ...will Trump follow through...

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Originally Posted by CL

Anyway my point is if opinions are fixed Stolly wouldn't be on a politics thread taking things seriously.

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I hadn't noticed he was ;)

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Originally Posted by Margarine

This might cheer you up. Last night I switched the radio on to hear: ...will Trump follow through...

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Quality! Thank you Marg

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Originally Posted by Mike T

Interesting that the word of the year is "post-truth" - a similar concept is post-debate - opinions matter more than truth; debate is pointless as opinions are fixed.

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I've actually had a change of heart today having listened to a debate, which is still ongoing in the Commons.

The debate is about the Parliamentary Constituencies Bill.

The Tories included a manifesto commitment to reduce the number of seats from 650 to 600 and in doing this the Boundary Commission would do it's regular re balancing of the boundaries.

I took the view that this was a good idea. We had now almost double the number of paid representatives, especially in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.

I've listened to the debate today about the Pat Glass amendment.

There are 4 points you can see on the link.

The main one I have changed my mind on is the number of MPs and the reasons why are:

1. We are leaving the EU and so there will be more legislation in the Commons to scrutinise and more matters at constituency level for MPs to deal with.
2. The Government, through ministers, PPSs, whips etc and the Opposition Shadows carry a fixed number of appointments. These are eminently more whippable and the 50 reduction would reduce backbench MPs and take away from the more independent minded MPs that are so useful to the operation of the Commons.
Linked to this is also the point that backbench MPs would have a better chance of a "job" and so would be more inclined to toe the line.
3. Select Committees play a key role. There are already vacancies on some committees that cannot be filled. Losing 50 MPs would have a detrimental effect on the select committees.

So it shows me that debate can be useful, as it gives you the opportunity to hear sides of an argument that you have not previously considered.

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Originally Posted by Witton Park

I've actually had a change of heart today having listened to a debate, which is still ongoing in the Commons.

The debate is about the Parliamentary Constituencies Bill.

The Tories included a manifesto commitment to reduce the number of seats from 650 to 600 and in doing this the Boundary Commission would do it's regular re balancing of the boundaries.

I took the view that this was a good idea. We had now almost double the number of paid representatives, especially in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.

I've listened to the debate today about the Pat Glass amendment.

There are 4 points you can see on the link.

The main one I have changed my mind on is the number of MPs and the reasons why are:

1. We are leaving the EU and so there will be more legislation in the Commons to scrutinise and more matters at constituency level for MPs to deal with.
2. The Government, through ministers, PPSs, whips etc and the Opposition Shadows carry a fixed number of appointments. These are eminently more whippable and the 50 reduction would reduce backbench MPs and take away from the more independent minded MPs that are so useful to the operation of the Commons.
Linked to this is also the point that backbench MPs would have a better chance of a "job" and so would be more inclined to toe the line.
3. Select Committees play a key role. There are already vacancies on some committees that cannot be filled. Losing 50 MPs would have a detrimental effect on the select committees.

So it shows me that debate can be useful, as it gives you the opportunity to hear sides of an argument that you have not previously considered.

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Interesting points. Thanks for sharing. I hadn't considered these.

I agree, it's great to hear views that make me change my mind. Unfortunately, it doesn't happen very often. That's either because I was right all along, or because I'm too set in my ways. The trouble is in deciding which one - I think we all tend towards believing the former.

https://www.ft.com/content/40d2ede4-...3-bb8207902122

Investigatory Powers Bill went through Parliement this week. Not necesserily a consequence of Brexit but an indicator as to what our government thinks of personal privacy.

Something we'll see more of whilst theres plenty of distraction?