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3 Wise Monkeys......:oQuote:
Originally Posted by PlumBum
Or the three stooges! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
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Can't read that, I see no Evil....:pQuote:
Originally Posted by jodg
Running tonight? Ladybowyer?
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Originally Posted by jodg
Jan, Since the skyline race is clockwise I thought I'd start the lean early, although my cunning plan did not work!!
Maybe an adverse camber for next year!!!
Not even going to ask which direction you "dress to". Ahem. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Suggie
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Originally Posted by Suggie
They may mock, Suggie, but I had a similar plan. I took the right heel off my Roclites so as I could take all those RH corners quicker, but, just after Grindslow Clough, I found myself in a tightening vortex and lost about 5 mins and 10 places.
Not sure what to do with the shoes now.
In many races its that cold I don't dress on any side!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jodg
Respect Brtotherton Lad!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brotherton Lad
Perhaps a shoe donation to celebrity dancing on ice might be a good home for those spinning Roclites!!
Wake me back up when the results are posted and the thread resembles something more than a ramble by people with too much time on their hands.
OK, Delroy, sleep well.
By the way, the results will appear here:
http://www.dpfr.org.uk/#/page/index/...line_2010.html
but don't trouble yourself just yet.
The results have been sent to the Dark Peak webmaster. They are already available on the Skyline Facebook page. Andy Jenkins, Skyline Organizer
So 238 finished - any idea how many started Andy?
Presumably not the 375 that were entered ...
Crikey, was it that many who'd entered? That's a MASSIVE no show on race day! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by ZootHornRollo
it was terrible weather though wasn't it ... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by jodg
Does anyone know how many don't make the cut-off on the day?
that's what I'm trying to find out - or at least just how many startedQuote:
Originally Posted by Brotherton Lad
tis a wee gripe of mine that most race results list only finishers when rightly they should list all starters
'tis a fair point.
Thanks for all your hard work with this AndyQuote:
Originally Posted by AndyJ
28 retired
253 completed
378 were on the start list. Hence 97 didn't turn up on the day.
Anyone who had entered and who later told us they were not racing on the day, did not have there race entry cheques cashed.
Thanks, Andy, for the reply and all the hard work. 97 no shows is pretty bad. Sign of the times, I suppose, my word is my bond and all that.
I think it is pretty common nowadays Jan.Quote:
Originally Posted by jodg
Aye, you're probably right Colin. But I'm surprised - by my rough reckoning that's going on for 1/3 of the entrants didn't show up. It's a bloomin' BIG %age! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Swoop
Makes a bit of a mockery of everyone scrabbling about to get their entries in months ago before it fills up .... :(
Perhaps, but I do wonder whether we should be passing this type of thing off so lightly. I can perfectly understand that there will be natural wastage in any event, with injury and last minute bugs or change of plans. I also understand that the organisers who do an excellent job with the skyline, allow for a wastage in the entries (this is something I will allow for with Shelf Moor this year) but when the drop out rate is over 25% of the entry something is not right. Following on from this, for example with Mrs Second to Last (and I am sure many others) this year, what was disappointment at missing out on entry, tends towards anger when they see how people didn't bother to turn up.Quote:
Originally Posted by jodg
Sorry to vent anger on this thread, and nothing is directed at the organisers or volunteers for the skyline, who do an excellent job, not only on the good days like the last couple of years but also in the bad weather such as 2007.
Results are now available here.
Congrats to all who bothered to turn out!!!!!!!!!
All frustrating stuff.
Maybe clubs could consider adding a surcharge to the entry fee, say £3, which is handed back at registration with the runner's number. (Pays for the first post race pint). I know it's more admin and a pain, but fell races are so cheap (God bless you all) that many people seem willing to enter on the understanding they might not bother turning up. Those who can't turn up for bona fide reasons would lose out, but for a keen runner that's probably only once or twice a year and they'd have a better chance of securing a place if the scheme deterred those who are simply booking an option on a place.
I wait to be shot down in flames.
many thanks to organiser and marshalls,helpers etc a great day and a great race. :)
No - why not throw ideas out here for discussion - in someways isn't that the point of a forum - maybe it should be a separate thread, to carry on the discussionQuote:
Originally Posted by Brotherton Lad
Further thoughts:
It needn't be a cash refund, it could be a voucher for hot food or a beer or for a running shop or for next year's race. Just to represent a returnable premium on the entry fee so long as you turn up on the day, even if injury prevents you running and you have to watch or help as a marshall.
I'm sure there are will be plenty of runners out there who missed out who would be a bit mad/upset they were not able to run due to 97 people taking an entry slot and then not showing. maybe those who didn't show should be listed and not be given priority at next years event. Ie their entries be put on a reserve list rather than take an entry place up to begin with. I know that then we start getting all political but there needs to be a deterrent not to do this. I know in the past when i've realised i can't do an event (for what ever reason) i've notified the organisers so that my place can go to someone else. It's only fair. just my 2 cents.
This is not a new topic and has been discussed both here and at FRA committee level on numerous occasions.
Opening entries in September for an event the following March will always cause such a high drop out situation.
You may have noticed that none of the pre-entry championship races this year are permitting entries until at the most 3 months before the event. A concept which has been successfully employed at the Borrowdale race for some years now.
This gives runners less time to get injured, decide they aren't fit, realise they have holiday plans etc etc
We would all love to go back to the days of EOD but with the potential for greater numbers showing up on the day than landowners or car parking permit then having pre-entry at the more popular races is necessary to give some control to the race organiser.
So let's have sensible opening dates for entries and wherever possible, flexible arrangements for substitutions.
The entry limit for the Skyline was 300. 282 lined up on the day.
Anyone who contacted us to say they could not run did not have their entry fee cashed.
Who can prove that the 97 no shows "couldn't be bothered"?
Entries opened in October and closed in January - OF COURSE there will be a large number of people injured / have family problems / kids have the shits come race day.
I missed last year due to injury and was gutted to not be lining up and I assume that the vast majority of the 97 from this year feel the same.
Which I think shows you got it about right, you wanted 300 and got 282.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyJ
I was one who didn't run, got a stomach bug the week before, still hoping to do it Friday night but saw sense on Saturday when I still hadn't eated a proper meal since Wed. Didn't expect a refund or anything and came and supported my club mates.
Next year.
Don't presume that those who didn't turn out "couldn't be bothered". I'd much rather have been at Edale than be injured.
Thanks Andy.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyJ
That's a good strike rate then, wasn't aware of that figure. And I'm not suggesting there aren't lots of good reasons for being unable to race. Missed a few myself in my time.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyJ
I was, however, under the impression that there is an increasing number of people booking a place on the off-chance they might want to use it. If it's not a problem, I'll get me coat.
Andy and the other ES organisers obviously judged it about right then with the 25% wastage thing - but, out of curioisty, what would have happened if 330 (out of the 375 pre-entered) had turned up? Was 300 some kind of legal / H&S starting number limit that couldn't be breached?
Anyhow, as a couple of others have mentioned above, it seems more sensible to have entries open no more than two months before a race max - like Ennerdale this year, and Borrowdale last.
The odd runner also turned up under sudonym, I know others who binned at the last minute with colds. I knew I ran without having put the mileage in my legs due to noro virus and things, which would have been different if the entries had opened later. I've also wanted to race some of the bigger races this year and am struggling to plan far enough ahead to suit organisers wishes, hence I've either got to take a punt on being in reasonable shape and find life doesn't get in the way or add to the 25% - annoying for anyone - fit, healthy wanting to do the race.
Its all a tough call I know, can't have too many people rocking up at the last minute, but also wouldn't want too much drop out either. Race organisers can't win whatever happens. :(
I knew that I was unlikely to finish, but didn't want to be a dns for the very reasons that everyone has said. :o Ended up with a dnf instead:(Quote:
Originally Posted by mountain bag
I think a dnf is more honourable, but a dns can be the more sensible option.