DQ the cheats

So what do you have to do to get a decent proper ban then given the latest disciplinary hearing from langdale only gets until next March, for some one like me who might only bother racing 2 or 3 times a year (and only then if I'm persuaded) I never need to carry kit again and it wouldnt affect my racing plans.

Cheers Daz and Mike. I'll continue to chip in then :)

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Originally Posted by Clash City Rocker

So what do you have to do to get a decent proper ban then given the latest disciplinary hearing from langdale only gets until next March, for some one like me who might only bother racing 2 or 3 times a year (and only then if I'm persuaded) I never need to carry kit again and it wouldnt affect my racing plans.

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Without prejudging... etc etc, probably a full year, say until January 2013. The first time.

But now you have posted on here it might be viewed as a provocative act, rather than an oversight, so the FRA Committee might apply an exemplary sanction.

But this is academic. Cases are decided on the particular circumstances.

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Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak

yet in years i did it one team climbed Gable and another 2 teams were forced to bivi on the Ben! I know of other teams that have spent the night in Wasdale, and not just for a pint.

the kit list now is less than it used to be :)

correct me if I'm wrong but the 4 inns like the fellsman is run by the scouts, well run and with stringent kit checks

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I've done Fellsman several times and is a great race and really well organised - I dont agree with the mandatory rule of insisting on long trousers when it gets dark though :confused:. I even read of someone almost not being allowed to start one year due to not having enough tread on their shoes! (think they managed to get another pair). Someone's probably already mentioned this... Long live the Fellsman!!! (the antiquated rules do add a certain character).
I seem to remember when doing Tankys someone gave me a dog-eared card which read 'in case of emergeny ring Hope 345' - or some other 3 digit number only a few years back - now it seems it can't go ahead without the MRT on standby (although I'm told they were always involved in the past).

No one wins in a case of someone being banned for a period for not having the right kit - they look like an idiot, and the FRA look unsettlingly beurocratic.

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Originally Posted by Will

No one wins in a case of someone being banned for a period for not having the right kit - they look like an idiot, and the FRA look unsettlingly beurocratic.

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Will, do you have Insurance? car? house? life?

Bureacratic.

ROs want Race Insurance from the FRA. We get it for them. The FRA insurers want re-assurance that the FRA is responsible on matters like kit and that we do not allow racers to do Wasdale in flip-flops and equipped with an ice cream. Bureacratic.

But a RO doesn't have to request his race is listed in the FRA Calendar and he doesn't have to have FRA insurance. He can carry the liability himself. Not bureacratic at all.

So where are you racing next?

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Originally Posted by Grouse

Sorry if this has already been mentioned but I seem to remember the Four Inns kit requirements seeming a bit antiquated as well as prescriptive a couple of years back, but again, they have very good reasons for it.

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You're not wrong
They even describe what type of underwear must be worn (no jest), and every other item of clothing.

Having said that I did ask at the kit check this year if they needed to inspect my underwear and they refused!

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Originally Posted by Clash City Rocker

So what do you have to do to get a decent proper ban then given the latest disciplinary hearing from langdale only gets until next March, for some one like me who might only bother racing 2 or 3 times a year (and only then if I'm persuaded) I never need to carry kit again and it wouldnt affect my racing plans.

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You always looked to be carrying a bit too much to me ;)

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Will, do you have Insurance? car? house? life?

Bureacratic.

ROs want Race Insurance from the FRA. We get it for them. The FRA insurers want re-assurance that the FRA is responsible on matters like kit and that we do not allow racers to do Wasdale in flip-flops and equipped with an ice cream. Bureacratic.

But a RO doesn't have to request his race is listed in the FRA Calendar and he doesn't have to have FRA insurance. He can carry the liability himself. Not bureacratic at all.

So where are you racing next?

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Tour of Pendle.
Although you're right - I benefit from it too and is necessary in races.
It's need is a sad result of ever increasing cases of litigation and self perpetuating - it can't be reversed. Although when I can avoid it I dont have insurance unless it's really necessary. If I injure myself because of accident etc I would not pusue legal action for recompense if something were basically my fault. Just because you can doesn't mean you should etc.
My thoughts were more directed at the public ban and how I thought it made the FRA look and my opinion is that it's a moot point whether this was necessary or not.

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Tour of Pendle.
Although you're right - I benefit from it too and is necessary in races.
It's need is a sad result of ever increasing cases of litigation and self perpetuating - it can't be reversed. Although when I can avoid it I dont have insurance unless it's really necessary. If I injure myself because of accident etc I would not pusue legal action for recompense if something were basically my fault. Just because you can doesn't mean you should etc.
My thoughts were more directed at the public ban and how I thought it made the FRA look and my opinion is that it's a moot point whether this was necessary or not.

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Will

It might not be about you.

When the lady died in the Welsh Reservoirs Relay it was those left behind that tried to sue the RO.

As Wheeze will confirm.

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Originally Posted by Will

Tour of Pendle.
Although you're right - I benefit from it too and is necessary in races.
It's need is a sad result of ever increasing cases of litigation and self perpetuating - it can't be reversed. Although when I can avoid it I dont have insurance unless it's really necessary. If I injure myself because of accident etc I would not pusue legal action for recompense if something were basically my fault. Just because you can doesn't mean you should etc.
My thoughts were more directed at the public ban and how I thought it made the FRA look and my opinion is that it's a moot point whether this was necessary or not.

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Will - Absolutely agree with Graham - insurance isn't there because of the litigious nature of our society these days, it's there in case there's an accident to someone involved in the race or to someone not involved who may be injured as a result of the race.

Of course it protects ROs from liability, but it is there for the competitors and officials as well.

I'm fortunate to have never have been involved in any claim as a RO, athlete, coach or parent, but it can happen and I'm sure there are numerous fair instances of why insurance is important.