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I liked the superfeet and to be honest I find them better for running in than my custom made orthotics.
I can only run in them though in trail shoes and I don't like the feel of superfeet or orthotics in my fell shoes.
I'd recommend people trying superfeet as a cheaper alternative to orthotics!
I'm sure i asked you this at the time, bit do you need to get your shoes a size bigger to wear superfeet?
No you take the old insole out and replace with the superfeet, but make sure you get them fitted properly.
I got some of these babies: http://tinyurl.com/34upve
as a result of having recurrent calf tears and plantar problems - seemed cheap enough to give a go and well... they worked for me.
I only wear these in road shoes though, so they won't be the solution for the fells.
I've now got a new pair of road shoes and am giving them a go without the insole - so far, so good.
Not seen these before so can't comment directly on them although they do 'appear' to be a similar product, but as above don't buy with out getting them fitted as badly fitting footbed can increase problems or creat new ones.:(Quote:
Originally Posted by Vitamin K
Not on yr helly....I don't have any offroad shoes, so I tend to just slip and slide about in my asics. I train mostly on trails that vary from rough tarmac to puddles, mud and stones through the route in anything but high summer, and walk when the grip goes, so I would like some off road trainers, but having seen the other half's inov8s, the heel looks too low to keep my foot and an orthotic in place, and they've got very little impact protection...so I'd like a better, higher version of the insloe that's already in the trainer, I think.
At 13 I had terrible knee pains that the doc said was growing pains, my mum didn't believe him and got a second opinion which was that I rolled over on my arches as I walked and that I also had hypemobile knees, so my whole leg snaked sideways as I walked. Apparently one or the other would not cause much problem.
I also had a creaking in my knees which they thought was juvenile arthritis or the precursor to it:) Any way, sorting me out with orthoses helped my knees to line up as my feet were held firmer and took most of the pain away.
The last time I went to the hospital, I tried to talk to the consultant about getting fit and running but he said there was no point doing more than walking as it would only lead to pain...I find however that if I do lots of leg strengthening and stretching that I am ok...who knows, I'm not a scientist.......(what a great motivator!)
Iandarkpeak, I am on the sw side of Birmingham...there's an up & running in town.......
One thing I have a problem with, is trying to find everyday trainers that my orthotics will fit in!!
I wear trainers for work and tend to use Adidas Stan Smith but the orthotics don't fit in due to them having a arch in them.
What everyday/fashion trainers do people use with there orthotics?
Another alternative might be the asics cumulus I use with my orthotics and find excellent. Generally over the last few years I've found that a firmish feeling cushioned neutral shoe works best with them. (but avoid the asics nimbus though - lifeless breezeblock of a shoe - rubbish!)Quote:
Originally Posted by scaniagirl
Nike Pegasus- really good basic neutral shoe
Chaddy what non running trainers do you use your orthotics in?
All my shoes, including spd cycling shoes...
Not my slippers though...
Sorry mate I meant to say can you get them in your trainers, not running trainers, fashion trainers? I'm having problems finding ones that they'll fit in.
they fit in all shoes- even my track spikes!
Non running shoes are not a problem
Has anyone tried the orthotics that Lakes Runner are doing?
I'm not sure how effective they'll be, but they don't look big and bulky.
I was wondering about the same thing...I'm going to have a chat with them today, so I'll let you know how I get on.
It seems like a tricky issue...maybe for some more than others. With flat overpronating feet like mine, I was told by one podiatrist that I should be in supportive trail shoes as much as possible. If that's the case, then fell-shoe-specific orthotics may be a bit over the top.
will report back.
Rhiannon
cheers
I know in the advert that you have them as supportive as you like, but I'm not sure how that will work?
I've just had a chat with David at Lakes Runner...
And as yet I don't know how things will go, as I haven't got the orthotics, but what he said seemed to make sense.
The impression I got was that he takes quite a different approach to some sports-relevant podiatrists (ie the only other person I've talked to!). Most of them would take a kind of road-running approach where overpronation is the biggest issue. I guess it seemed to me that this approach was different, where corrections are probably much more subtle, and allow your feet to help with things, rather than just blocking overpronation with something rigid.
So all of that is reflected in the very different style of orthotic, which may be a little better for those of us who like to run in fell shoes.
hope this helps,
Rhiannon
Cheers for that, I have orthotics but I can't run in them off road.
I might go in and have a chat with myself.
Do it at home Hopey and save yourself the drive. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by hopey
Hopey,
Yes, a lot of orthotics are quite built-up at the heel and bulky, and are all wrong for fell shoes. They stop your feet doing what they need to do on a fell, and they stop the shoe from doing what it needs to do too.
Have you pestered your podiatrist about why you can't run in them with fell shoes? It's a lot of money to find they don't do the job.
One thing about David is he seemed to actively encourage a lot of feedback, and wanted people to be critical (his words) about his orthotics.
Rhiannon
Here my two pence worth!
Haven't used orthotics myself but have had foot injuries and know a fellow runner who tried inserts for a bit on account of his first physio. After he changed physios (after my recommendation) the new one thought that orthotics were all wrong for the fells.
I know that the physio worked on the stressed aspects of the bone joints in both mine and my friend's feet and that way got flexibility back which is what we need. I still have to warm up before runs by stretching my foot in a particular way and getting the bones to 'crack' a bit but aside from that it's fine.
I do feel that my foot is considerably stiffer after road runs than on hills.
Hmmmmm, as a fellow flat footer, this thread sounds quite interesting......
I have worn orthotics for about 20 odd years, and have over the last few years found my best podiatrist ever.
I wear the orthotics in Innov8s but have to tie the laces really, really tight so that my feet don't come out, or shoe ends up on it's own in a bog! Consequently top bit of feet really hurt due to tightness.
Have really noticed recently seem to cramp up very quickly, and always seem to have some kind of foot/ankle/etc niggle.
I shall have a look into The Lakes Runners Orhtotics as well. Cheers for all the info all.
Happy flat foot slapping.
Hi
Anyone got the address of the orthapaedist in Horsforth, have had a couple of recomendations and told cost is more reasonable than Settle.
I know this info is on other threads but had a quick search and could not see it. PM me if it is easier.
Thanks in advance
Think I may have to follow this route as I seem to have started pronating badly on left foot - to the extent that it's now hurting and straining stuff :(. Called in at a local podiatrist today and she quoted £70 consultation + 70 - 100 for cusomised inserts.
My big question is will they work in a pair of Walshes ? She immediately understood the problem (not having treated a fell runner before) with the shoe not being very supportive anyway, and is going to make further enquiries. How about innov8s or any other shoe alternatives?
This is something that has 'crept up' over the last 9 months, suddenly noticed it's damn painfull and is pulling me up. Advice appreciated.
I'm not convinced that orthotics work in walshes, but I wear green superfeet in inov8's in place of the footbed.
Customised orthotics are expensive (but I get mine free from hospital) so I save them for my ordinary shoes. They do tend to be too bulky for fell shoes anyway. Huddersfield Uni tried to make a thinner 2nd pair for my fell shoes but they soon fell to bits.
What were the fell shoe pair made of?Quote:
Originally Posted by wycoller
Leeds St James Orthotics dept gave me these massive plastic orthotics that don't fit in any of my shoes at all. They may be used as a doorstop or summat.
They also made some leather insoles with eva plastic on the outside edge of the insole for my fell shoes (I am a quite a bad supinator). They do not seem the most sturdy of things but I have been re-assured they can put up with the worst the british moors has to offer.
Only got them today but will report back as they seem great subtle insoles and I can still feel the ground well.
I started wearing orthotics in my road shoes after suffering from shin splints and have found that they helped...BUT...I never wear them in my fell shoes.
Because tarmac is a pretty new invention, our feet and muscles haven't had time to catch up (something to do with evolution) so in some cases orthotics are helpful. But, because the fells are uneven and have been there since whenever, our feet can deal with them and roll every which way, so support isn't really needed. The most important thing is to wear a light weight minimalistic shoe so that your feet can feel and adapt to the ground.
As for road running (sorry to swear!), I've recently read many papers and articles regarding injuries due to bad running technique and overloaded technological shoes. I have since tried to develop the way I run on road to reduce pronation and heel strike. Although it was strange at first and I couldn't run that far, with patience and determination I managed to up my millage and can now run without orthotics and wearing lightweight shoes.
Hope anyone finds this helpful.
Not quite sure and I don't have them anymore - they weren't plastic. Superfeet are great though and very thin.Quote:
Originally Posted by AJF
Anyone used heel raises in their shoes to reduce achilles pain/reduce chances of achilles injury? I am thinking of doing this as a temporary measure as I am getting an achilles niggle after running/1st thing in the morning. Any feedback appreciated.
after having plantar f , doc reccomended i use orthotics ( from nhs and excellent) in all my shoes , and in steel toecap boots orthotics and sorbothane gel heel pads . apparently a build up of the heel gently stretches the archilles and plantar as im walking at work during the day . so far no probs .
Addy,
I have used heel raises very occasionally with some of my patients (I do only work with Paediatrics so can't tell u what is done with adults) with an acute exacerbation of their problem, but only for very temporary use and usually combined with a podowedge (up to 5 degree wedge on the medial border (inside) of the foot).
I would suggest focusing more on the cause of the achillies niggle such as biomechanical factors/ muscle imbalance / tightness etc. should be addressed in reoccurring problems.
With regards
Gaz
I have just hacked up some spare insoles to create a heel raise in my road shoes. 8 months ago I glued on some extra support for over pronation in my Inov8 290's and this seemed to do the same trick as some prescribed insoles I had. I realise that if my achilles gets worse I need to stop but am just trying to nurse my way through whilst still running along with massage and heat/cold treatment.
Yes Ady. They are very helpful in reducing stretch on the tendons. Contrary to popular opinion I used to ice both Achilles tendons BEFORE training, as well as using the heel inserts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ady In Accy
As soon as the tendons feel ok take the inserts out, but pay close attention.(put them in both shoes)
Problems with these tendons are not always down to training. Changes in the amount of water in the tissues I.e. through drug therapy etc can also cause tendon and muscle problems.
Thanks CL, have put in both. Will see how I go on. Did a road run today in them at a brisk pace and no issues during the run or after but 4 hours on I can feel a niggle. Will keep rubbing + ice & heat and see how it goes.
Who makes the best orthotics for fell running? I'm after a pair that will standup to getting wet dirty etc without falling apart like my last (£170) pair did (not amused)
If you know what you want your orthotic to do why not make your own. I have glued sections of an old insole onto the underside of my Inov8 insoles in the places where my prescribed orthotic was raised. Costs nowt and have stayed on.
Andrew Stanley at www.reboundclinic.co.uk in Settle (tel 01729 825900) - I've had a pair of orthotics from him that have lasted 3 years so far and are still going strong (and I average 5 fells runs per week)
Free at you local NHS hospital physio / podiatry department.
Get your GP to refer you.
May take a bit of tinkering with to optimise performance, but they have done the job for me.
Forget em - if you feel you need something buy something off the shelf that will do the job - you'll only get charged arm an a leg for something that's pot luck.
You have so much uneven ground, how can an orthotic be efficient or precise for fell running use?