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Cooooor!!!!!! Mmmmmmmmmmmm :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Stef F
Are you deprived of chips?
Oh and I put salt on steak too :D
Home made big fat ones no less, using fresh fat and a bloody good spud :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ady In Accy
nothing beats home made chips! door stop wedge slices of home baked bread smeared with an inch of lurpak and stuffed with piping hot chips..
YUM :D
Yep, it's in the calfs mostly but also sometimes in the hamstrings, and feet. I got it in both calfs at once in the Long Mynd whilst sliding down a hill on my bum! I sometimes get it when driving - not good. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by emmilou
What exercises are you doing?
Fillet steak (fried with butter & garlic), fried egg & home made chips (Cyprus spuds) with loads of salt - WOW
What time are you putting the chip pan on??????
When finishing races my face is white from the salt from sweating: I get severe cramp in most races longer than 2.5 hrs.
Early 2008, I was taking an expensive high5 anticramp drink(which had caffeine in) and it took me ages to figure out that it was the caffeine that was making me worse.
I swapped the anticramp drink for a simple solution of half water, half fresh orange juice and a good pinch of salt and the cramp eased up tremendously.
Two things to point out:
1.I've never liked salt since childhood and have to force myself to have it on chips and wont have it on anything else. So maybe I'm already at a disadvantage.
2. at the same time as swapping my drink, I ran alot of Lakeland races including Duddon Valley, Ennerdale, Buttermere, and when not racing I would be up around Pendle hill on weekends. So maybe the regular and extended hill mileage contributed too.
This year I did The Trog and suffered again but not as bad and now I'm desperately trying to up my hill mileage before the edale skyline and 3peaks comes around.
Fingers crossed.
ps
Ive tried nuuns too but still get cramp, I'm leaning more towards the extra weekly mileage solution.
Hope that helps stef.
You not cooking? I'll be looking for a decent dinner in the peaks this weekend. Won't be frying steak on my pocket rocket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ady In Accy
calf raises, lots of stretches and stair reps along with both the stepper and the stair master at the gym and running up as many hills as possible.... not meaning to be flippant there but by that I mean slowing the pace but keeping bouncing up the hills as opposed to being reduced to an ambling walk as per previously....all becomming a bit easier the more i concentrate on that and as I say certainly eased on the cramp as I used to be a big sufferer of itQuote:
Originally Posted by Stef F
I'm at around 60 miles a week, but most of it is fairly flat. I'm getting in some hill running some weekends, and am aiming for 70 miles. I'll have to start doing some exercises.Quote:
Originally Posted by mudlugger
Yes I was doing 50 miles but flat, it's the hills that certainly make the difference hence the stair reps living in a flatter than flat area.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stef F
First time I did them 2 days later I couldn't walk. I did 200 I think. Now I do 250 at least twice a week more if I can fit it on and time permitting will build the number of reps ups over the weeks as the strength comes
I don't have stairs but I guess I could improvise with a box or something. I stopped going to the gym when I moved nearly a year ago - a time problem. I could do hill reps and bounce them - no proper hills close to home, but there are some bumps not too far away! :oQuote:
Originally Posted by emmilou
Salt is the cure. Are you a heavy sweater:D!!
Certainly not. I merely glow! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Eggman
Ah yes! Well lots of glowing;) maybe also needs replacing with extra salt!
Not lots of glowing - I'm very mean with my sweat! But yes, it needs to be replaced!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eggman
what do people use to stop cramp?
Should I just add a bit of salt to my water?
Drinks with salt in them ,potatoes dipped in salt and maybe injury advice can advise on this but i have heard of people who just can't get rid go to their G.P. and receive a prescription for Quinine Sulphate.
Placebo tablets.
I've suffered very badly from cramp in the past, especially at the top of huge climbs (the top of Whernside carnage on the 3 peaks I'm looking at you :rolleyes:), and because I sweat buckets when its hot I always put it down to my metabolism rather than anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
But here's a funny thing; now that I live right smack in the middle of the hills and run in (and up) them a lot, I rarely suffer from cramp (touches wood, throws salt of shoulder, kisses rabbit foot :)). I do try and take the right amount of liquid with me for the conditions and do have a good drink before the off but, more than anything, I think the best way to combat cramp is to get fitter and better at climbing hills.
I reckon alot of it is definetely down to fitness. At Winter Hill on sunday i was cramping up in my calves after only 7 miles of racing and im 100% sure if i was fitter i wouldnt get it.
But, i think there is definetly something more too it...i know joss naylor used to get cramp and he wasnt exactly unfit was he!
I tend to try and drink a shed load of water the day before a race, ive also invested in some skins powersox to see if they make any difference.
I generally cramp up on the flat, track or road sections in a race (apart from langdale horseshoe which just nailed me everywhere)
Taken with a pinch of salt?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grouse
Doesn't drinking shed loads of water result in you pissing it all out again along with lots of salt? (??someone will know??)
Run more miles and climb more hills. There's a lot of nonsense talked about drinking stuff and taking funny tablets to ward off cramp but at the end of the day if you aren't fit enough and your muscles aren't conditioned properly for whatever you are trying to undertake then you will get cramp.Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
now come on, if Joss got cramp it would be after 100 miles at least!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Fowler
I think he got it in his back more than anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Man from Del Monte
Read somewhere that Joss was prone to cramp, think some folk just are, never stopped him though, in fact nowt has.Quote:
Originally Posted by Man from Del Monte
Just experiment with stuff, nuuns tablets work for me;)
To combat cramp I usually shout a variety of French words, an convince myself that continuing to run is the only option....hurts but works :D
I agree fitness is the key issue, however, on those long hot days popping a Nuun tablet in my water bottle does the trick for me. Nuun tablets have a good mix of essential salts and viitamins.
OTH
try a good natural massage gel / oil to massage legs before & after runs along with good pre warm up & post cool down, go and se a good sports & remedial massage therapist
I have regular massage...and still get cramp.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by injury advice
Theres massage & massage depends who you se. does your therapist use STR soft tissue release, remedial work may be needed in specific areas to detect any areas that may need more attention
How much does that cost:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by injury advice
Get fitter and take good mix of fluids n salts etc.
(I was starting to cramp at Noonstone but its cos i'm nowhere near race fit)
For a good therapist £35 - £40 per hour or 75mins you need some one that has good knowlege of soft tissue manipulation & that comes reccomended
Nuun tablets are a bit cheaper than this. So it might be worth trying them first. Also, you can take them with you in a race - unlike a masseur/masseuse. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by injury advice
They didnt work for me either.:rolleyes: Just made me feel ill.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel
Always thought they were called unnu tablets :D
I'm getting cramp in my calf a lot just lately, i'm ok climbing and descending -it always starts on the flat and I have to stop every few hundred yards and stretch it for a few seconds to keep going . Anyone got any remedies ? Its spoiling my runs...
have you recently changed something like shoes or inserts etc
No - I use a number of shoe types and the problem is across all of them. Last time after my calf had totally locked up I ate a meal with quite a lot of salt in it, which seemed to help. But we are told not to use a lot of salt aren't we...
I used to succumb to cramp quite badly in my calf muscle, then I tried running wearing Skins compression socks which helped, and I've also started drinking a pint of water with a Nuun tablet in it before any race - not suffered since then, not even in Sunday's boiling hot Brighton Marathon :o)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dagwood