Get me thinking after reading the tread, that I must enter, just done two LDWA events and have the bug, whats the kinder navigation like ?
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Get me thinking after reading the tread, that I must enter, just done two LDWA events and have the bug, whats the kinder navigation like ?
Kinder navigation not difficult and potentially trickiest bit (Druid Stone to top of path down to YHA), was marked last year :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DronfieldRunner
Has anyone managed to find a map of this?
There's a route description on the Dark & White site here, presumably left over from last year, as there doesn't seem to be a link to it at the moment. The main website just says "exact details tbc 1 month before the event", even though there's less than a month to go. There's enough info to transfer it to a map.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duff
I can confirm that finishing times are long for this one. Last year mine was 8:04 compared with 5:58 for Wuthering Hike (32mi.) and 7:01 for Calderdale Hike (36mi.). I've also done Troller's Trot (25mi.) in 4:07 and High Peak 40 in 7:38. LToB seems to be in a different league.
I did hear somewhere a good while ago that the dibber points would be more obvious than last year, since it's supposed to be an ultra run rather than an orienteering challenge.
Look at you, Mr Ultra! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by BritNick
Based on last year, just how many stations have fluid provided? I see from the website that you have to carry your own (obviously) but that some drinks are provided en route.
the old notes say water at:Quote:
Originally Posted by jodg
CP3 - bottom of Cave Dale, Castleton
CP4 - Nag's Head, Edale
CP7 - Killhill Bridge, nr Hope
CP10 - Ladybower dam
CP14 - Burbage Bridge
CP17 - Leadmill Bridge
so quite well supplied really
although, does anybody know how much water we're allowed to take at each CP?
i.e. just a cupful to swig there and then, or are we allowed to refill a bottle or two (say up to one litre)?
Daz,
I work on the assumption that water would (and should) never be rationed. I had no problems refilling my water bottles. Make sure you have plenty of your own favourite food, though.
Surely not? Foie gras and oysters travel so badly in a rucksac.Quote:
Originally Posted by BritNick
Fwoaar gwar 'n' oysters, possibly not. Marmite 'n' cucumber sandwiches would be a safer bet. Food poisoning is less keen on salt.:eek::eek:
Thanks Nick - water should be no prob then - just need to stock up on cashews, flapjack and cocktail sausages then... and maybe a pastie or two... oh, and rice pudding... hmmm... gonna need a bigger backpack! :o
I still think your mini pork pies are a bit of a risk after 8 hours in a steamy backpack!Quote:
Originally Posted by BritNick
I think i will be giving this ago this time round.. sounds like a good day out..
where can i find the route??? think i know most of it anyway but could do with checking it out...
I agree TF. My heart was in my mouth after consuming the tepid commestible in the pub in Osmotherley on Saturday evening, but there was nary a murmur in the bowel department. The alcohol probably killed off the bugs. :wink: The only time I ever had food poisoning was after eating a lukewarm, pink beefburger from hotel room-service in Brazil when travelling on business a couple of years ago. I had to present to customers the next day. I felt decidedly delicate. The things we have to do in the line of duty.
I've finally got my entry in for this one, btw.
Lakeland 100 done. This is next, quite looking forward to the challenging course after reading about the challenges of this 31m.
Have route emails been posted out yet? Can't recall seing one, but may just have filed away robotically.
No details have been posted out, DE. Will they be anyway, or will they expect us to download from the website and get the map at the start if we've pre-ordered it?
TF, here's another food story for you. On the Lakeland 100 I dropped some of my mini pork pies and sausage rolls on the earthen floor of Eskdale Corn Mill in Boot (CP2). I say earthen floor. In fact it was a damp, musty, matted carpet that was impregnated by decades of filth. I picked them up, gave them a quick brush off and popped one into my mouth. I was greeted by a brief taste of earthen mustiness. It did me no harm. Waste not want not.
euph/Nick - Congrats on the L100 http://www.runnersworld.co.uk/forum/...rty_smiley.gif
I got an email recently detailing some minor route changes for the upcoming LTOB, and I think they said they'd be emailing the full route description soon...
Not run one of these events before, is there any reason to order a map ? Have both explorers, just a pity the dark peak map is 2 inches too short for full route and have found last years route/map sections on the web site
received full details of this year's event via email last night :thumbup:
getting excited now :w00t:
off camping with Slug Family for most of next week, so am now officially "tapering" for LTOB! ;)
Anyone got any thoughts on the best route option betwen CP 12 and 13 !
I'm goint to take the track down the east (left) side of the valley. It'll be a touch further but much faster going.
...and I think I'll take the Higger Tor/Carl Wark route. Mainly because I know some of it already. The paths aren't much, and it's a bit wet as you approach Toad's Mouth, but it should be runnable. The line of the right of way is OK, and you can take a left fork near the end to hit the road at Burbage Bridge. I don't know the other routes though, so don't qualify as an expert.Quote:
Originally Posted by MOUNTAIN MAN
After a decent run at the Dovedale Dipper 26 yesterday despite my longest run for 3 months being a flat 11 miles, I've decided to enter this again, though was sorely tempted by the Phil Liggett cycle challenge on the same day.
Pleased the checkpoints are being marked better this time and have been reduced in number. I was more than a little irked after being told at the start that missed dibpoints = DQ, making sure I got them all which including a blisteringly hot descent back down and up Stanage to pick up one, only to find I needn't have bothered. Even so that one is still worth keeping at eye out for, you go up the main track and not directly through it, it's a metre or so off to the left hand side if it's on the same stile/gate.
I'm thinking of taking the eastern route between Burbage Bridges, had a quick play on Memory Map and maybe 0.15 miles further but it's a much better track - even if all routes were equally runnable it's only going to be a couple of minutes lost at most. I struggled with the valley path last year with it being boggy and causing me to cramp up, though conditions this year could be much drier underfoot. Don't know the Higger Tor path too well.
Last year I think I did a bit over 33 miles - even allowing for my doubling back for a CP pretty sure it was a tad over distance. I've plotted it up at 33.4 miles this time using the eastern Burbage track - think the addition must be in the new route going down the old railway and through Bamford rather than over the dam and straight up the road.
Good to see you're back running Steve :cool: Enjoy the Long Tour :)
Had a recce of second half of course yesterday, quite a pull out of Bamford to hit the road towards Stannage.
No problems on route finding particular to DazThe Slug's excellent description of route to Checpoint 16. Just one question when leaving the road towards the Stanage Edge checkpoint do you follow the main track up onto the edge or have to deviate through the braken paths? only ask this question as following the track up there was no stile or gate at the top, but looking left we could see a stile/gate approximately 500m.
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Originally Posted by DazTheSlug
You follow the main track all the way up to Stanage, but the checkpoint itself should be on the gate/stile of the public footpath that leads off roughly WNW below the cliff face, so is a bit over your left shoulder and slightly off-route and was easily missable last year! Carry on up the track as it curves towards the SE after picking up the CP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Running Man
What is now CP 13 caused some trouble last year as well, it's a good few metres off the footpath to the right, down a steep bank, so needs a detour to dib before climbing back up to the footpath.
Thanks for that SteveS, I take it you mean the path to the left of the spot height 346m on OS Dark Peak Map?
No not that one, the one 600m or so further east, that runs below the crags, as the main track starts to turn right after it's been trending east for a while. You still have a fair bit of climb to go before you actually get on the top from that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Running Man
http://streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=423...f&mapp=map.srf
well just to complete the "full set" of BurbageBridge-ToadsMouth options, I'll be going down the valley bottom - I'm sure the track to the east would be quicker, but I'm not going to be at the sharp end, and I really enjoyed that section when I recce'd it
SteveS - will you be sporting Fell Ponies livery? black/white for me http://www.runnersworld.co.uk/forum/.../thumbs_up.gif
any news on the Highlow Brook northside option?
Must have been a lot drier than when I went down it then, I found it horrible last year, sure I was up to my knees in bog a couple of times.Quote:
Originally Posted by DazTheSlug
Think I'll go for the pink optionQuote:
Originally Posted by DazTheSlug
The route description says "After footbridge, climb up to open land" which is the southern route. I'd consider the northern option as an illegal offroute shortcut since it isn't mentioned. Is the path even a right of way? It's not shown as a public right of way on my OS map, nor are the woods shown as access land, though my map is aging a bit now.Quote:
Originally Posted by DazTheSlug
Can't see any mention of water at Upper Burbage this year, it's a long way from before Bamford to Leadmill so I hope it's not too hot. Might have to stash some up there on the drive over.
Agreed. Last year's route description wasn't so specific, & that path doesn't appear to be a right of way. And we've no idea whether you can get through anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveS
SteveS - the notes do say "marshal/water" for Burbage Bridge
Hi,
Perhaps rather foolishly, I've entered the Bradwell race as my first ultra, and also I've only done one race of marathon distance... gulp! Any last minute words of wisdom from you experienced runners?
I'll be the one right at the back looking terrified, so please say hello if you see me at the start line!
Cheers
snapQuote:
Originally Posted by Nick Smith
my furthest too
and I thought I'd bagsied the back! ;)
black/white vest + red Raidlight backpack = say hello :)
only tip would be to take some high-calorie food (flapjack is popular) as I don't think any is provided at checkpoints
Nick, my first too, although have done a few a of the recent LWDA events in this area, appart from the obvious I bought a Buff, found the sweat diffcult to wipe away, had a spell of running with one eye closed due to getting sweat in and shirt would not wipe it away. Found 14 miles goes quickly, 20 miles pain kicks in and then its just will power.
On a diff. note was doing a recci on google last last with the sat, view, most impressed by kinder, on the map looks a small sheep track but "appears" very well used pathl. Bradwell Face race give opportunity to recci last section, going to be painful....find the down hills woarse than the uphills twds the end
I will be in white shirt & OMM 15lt rugsack - could be a good group at the back :-)
Hi Nick. Best advice I can give is to stick to a speed you think you can keep up all day. It won't turn out to be true though...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick Smith
Cool. I'll be wearing a white/green shirt and silver/grey bandana. I'm hoping to get away with a small blue OMM bumbag, but it depends on what kit they insist on tomorrow. If it is full body cover, I'll have to switch to a proper rucksack.Quote:
Originally Posted by DronfieldRunner
Good luck in your first one Nick and Dronfield Runner. From others comments I think you can justifiably say you've picked a tough one. So having completed this the step up to a 50 won't feel too harsh :wink:
I was going to plot the route on grough, but I found somebody already had. Having had an "easy" day I checked it, looks a-ok, so I have taken a print off (cheers whoever did this, I owe you a route plot for a future event).
I've a terrible memory when it comes to regonising people from clothes desciptions, but will try and recognise a few of you to say hi (of course I know Daz and Nick). Subject to weather I'll be in a grey capestorm T, OMM last drop 10 (yelow stripes on back- like about 1/4 field no doubt), inov roclites (like 1/2 the field no doubt :) ) .
Conditions looking ideal, full body cover requirement looks unlikely. More room in the bag for food as I gather the water stations are just that here? And seems its going to be a long day for the distance.
Summary for all mountain areas
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How Windy?
Generally westerly 10 to 15mph.
Effect Of Wind?
Negligible
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How Wet?
Isolated, if any showers
Risk of the odd brief shower.
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Cloud on the hills?
Little or none
Chance of cloud free Summits?
90%
Sunshine and air clarity?
Patchwork of sunshine, and the air very cldear.
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Temperature (at 600m)
13 rising to 16C.
And in the valleys
Will rise to around 22 Celsius in the afternoon. :thumbup:
Sounds like loads of new runners to become acquainted with. Great stuff. Welcome to the intrepid newbies. You are showing the true qualities of committed ultra runners, not madness, by choosing this as your first long one. As has already been advised, take your own food supplies and start off slowly. Apart from the usual energy bars, mine will be pork pies and full sugar Coke, plus Marmite & cucumber sandwiches for later if I need some assistance before the journey home (my appetite is still rampant after the excursions of recent weeks). I'll be wearing my dark yellow Stockport Harriers vest and fading orange bumbag. Please say 'ow do if I don't recognise you. DazTheSlug, we really must become acquainted if we haven't already (I can't remember).
SteveS, that was a good run you had last weekend on Dovedale Dipper. I assume it was you who glided past me on the run out of the village. You must be the one I referred to as "pink vest man" in my blog report. I think I caught you in one of my pictures as well.
And I shall be in natty navy shorts and t-shirt, with a bandana on my slaptop and a pained expression on my face. If you see anyone eating Thornton's Fruit Jellies that'll be me.