Thanks Pete.
I'll download and install later (and I've updated my profile settings!)
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Thanks Pete.
I'll download and install later (and I've updated my profile settings!)
And as Mark G suggested a couple of pages back, the start line is indeed on the north side of the beck up by the trees, meaning no road section at all.
Interesting. I'm almost definitely going to doing this now. Where do you cross the beck?
Well, it's free route choice... the most logical point to me appears to be where the little south-west ridge comes down from Knott Rigg... then get on the race path that was discussed a couple of pages ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteS
Also worth noting that the Rigg Beck cp is not at the road, it looks to be exactly at the start of the climb up Causey Pike.
I also noticed that Whitelss Pike is shown as a cp on the map, but not listed on the details you get after you enter. Although seeing as you head directly over it, i suppose that's not really worth worrying about.
Race map is now on the Kong Running site.
The CP has never been down at the road but is on the path just as you turn back to start the climb up to Causey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Travs
(I walked the route from the road to Crag Hill - the CP Brian Belfield did not reach - taking photographs for use at the Inquest)
Right...Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham Breeze
I could swear i saw a race-map of old which showed it at the road... i must have been mistaken.
Thanks Pete, I'll recce the beck crossing beforehand. As GB says, Rigg Beck CP is definitely on the path. There is a small but notable light coloured boulder on your left which marks the CP and start of the climb up Causey.
I see. I won't be able to do this coz I don't have a smartphone to download the app. #stuckintheoldwaysQuote:
Originally Posted by Travs
I don't suppose you have a GPS watch? Seems like they may accept entries on Strava as a backup to the app not working. Worth contacting the RO if you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by wharfeego
Yes that will work Lou used my Strava trace from my Garmin when I somehow managed not to start on BB Kong earlier in the series.Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteS
Haha! Not even a GPS watch.
#mustgetwiththemoderntimes
a clubmate of mine - who shall remain nameless, but is usually at the sharp end of races - recently described me as "everything that is wrong about modern fell running". as i navigated a route by my GPS watch and OS app on my phone (it was not in a race, I hasten to add before i get hung out to dry).Quote:
Originally Posted by wharfeego
Fastest time so far is 2:38 (only 5 people submitted a time so far though).
A look through the entry list shows a handful of forum names entered... DanGilbert probably looking like the bookies favourite of the forumites...
Just finished. Set myself a target of 2.30 and got round in 2.26. Didn't push it too hard after last week's fall but quite pleased with the time given the lack of training this year.
Nice one Pete... for some reason i thought you were doing it on sunday (same as me) and i thought i might see you...
All good using the App....?
Still a large number of people on the list of entrants who've not yet got their time in, so could be busy this weekend!
Fastest time currently 1:48.... forecast for sunday is poor (i'm not worried about navigation, but looks like the conditions could slow things down... getting excuses in early :D)
I'm here from today until Sunday and the weather looks like it will deteriorate so got my race in early. The app was fine - glad I did Callow first so I knew it was working OK on my phone. The last CP threw me - I felt sure it was by the gate on the path but it's actually right on the road junction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Travs
Looks like the clag may be down on the higher ground over the weekend. There's really only one place where nav is tricky - finding Whiteless Edge from Eel Crag. There's quite an obvious trod if you can find it but a km straight line on a bearing of 230 should see you fine. Quite easy to end up wandering around Wandope or Grassmoor otherwise! Good luck on Sunday. Should have been the LDMT... :-(
Yes my weekend was originally based on the LDMT too...!
Nice to know about the final CP. Fairly happy with the nav throughout (famous last words), but yes the forecast is ringing a few alarm bells.
:D Pressure! Not sure I fancy my chances after seeing some of the training you've been putting in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Travs
I've had it penciled in for Saturday for a couple of weeks and the forecast looks pretty good. Agree with PeteS that Eel Crag to Whiteless is the section with the biggest scope for nav error. I speak from personal experience after taking a significant detour here in the clag the first time I did the race. Mainly due to lack of concentration and thinking all the hard work was done after reaching Eel Crag.
Good luck with your attempt on Sunday, hopefully the weather will be better than the forecast currently suggests.
Good luck tomorrow Dan. Hope the weather is fair...
Glad I didn't do it today. Weather has been atrocious all day. Looking better for the weekend though. Good luck both.
Indeed. Descending too far north, possibly to get out of foul weather, can find you on the shore of Crummock Water -where at least there is a road that leads back to Buttermere!Quote:
Originally Posted by dangilbert
Mine wasn't quite that significant of a detour. Although a valley road is probably a fairly reassuring place to be after dropping out of foul weather on the high fells, as long as you're not too far from your intended destination.
Fairly breezy today. A strong headwind for a short stretch after Causey and on the climb up to Eel Crag. Otherwise pretty good conditions, full visibility and not too chilly.Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteS
Just happy to be back running on the Lakeland fells really. Last time was nearly a year ago to the day at the Mountain Trial.
Good running, sir! It looked a good day for it after all. The forecasts have been quite dismal this weekend but not as bad as predicted.Quote:
Originally Posted by dangilbert
The MWIS forecast tomorrow is dismal to say the least... Hopefully there's a slight improvement
Meanwhile, back in the Midlands . . . it's T-shirt and shorts weather. Now, where did I put that suntan lotion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Travs
What a fantastic race route that is. Trying to compare it to the Four Fans in terms of difficulty, which is difficult due to the different weather conditions (absolute heatwave at FF, and 50mph wind and zero viz today).
I think the position of the Causey Pike climb at mid-point in the race makes it such a challenge, as there's still a long way back to Buttermere on wrecked legs.
Made a good start and had the wind behind me for a short while, and was on top of the first peak (either Knott Rigg or Ard Crags) in 25mins.
Then a typically shambolic descent down to Rigg Beck. Strong on the climb to Causey Pike, hitting the summit in 1hr15...
But then things started to get tough. Was now into a fearsome headwind which bought me to walking pace even on some of the downhills. On reaching Crag Hill I tried to take a bearing but the wind was so strong I couldn't hold the map in place. So had to take the main path down to the "cross-roads" with the path coming down from Grasmoor, and turn hard left for Whiteless Pike.
Knew at this point that 2hrs10 was slipping away, but was spurred on by chasing another couple of runners in front. Descended fairly proficiently off Whiteless Pike, finishing a shade under 2hrs12.
In hindsight I should have ran it yesterday when weather conditions were better, and would undoubtedly saved a chunk of time over the Sail ridge and coming off Crag Hill.
But can't allow that to hide my deficiencies, descending was typically poor off Aitken Knott (admittedly lethally slippy), and even with the wind I should have made a better fist of the Causey-Crag Hill ridge (for example I only managed to run short sections of the zigzags onto Sail).
Well done to DanGilbert on your time... I noted that your finishing time had gone past as I was on my way up to Whiteless Pike!
Nice one, Pete - glad you enjoyed it. My favourite AM by far. I see the weather forecast lived up to expectations then!
BTW, you can avoid the zigzag path up Sail on a direct line on the right. Same as the descent in Coledale.
Yep! More climb that any other Medium, a stunning ridge run, opportunities to get good lines, a slight nav.challenge off Crag Hill and a "fantastic plummet to Buttermere" (Jon Broxap).Quote:
Originally Posted by Travs
Fell running does not get any better.
Thanks Pete. Unfortunately it was zero viz by that stage, and a combination of only having been on Sail once before, and knowing it has a bit of a broad top, I played it safe!Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteS
Will rememeber that for next year!
Well done Pete. I had a look at the forecast for today this morning and it looked like it was going to be tough going. I find the descent to Rigg Beck tricky to do quickly, steep, slippy, the odd rocky section and narrow in places through the heather. I have to say I've usually stuck to the zig zags most of the way up Sail then cut the corner on the last couple. At least then I can run a bit of it. Might try going up to the right next time though.
Results
https://www.kongadventure.com/wp-con...-results-6.pdf
A decent forum showing. DanGilbert top 5, myself and PeteS comfortably top half (i'm not yet shown on the results... my time didn't upload on the App until last night).
Updated results, now including Travs.
https://www.kongadventure.com/wp-con...-results-7.pdf
I have been reading this thread as part of my preparation for this years race, which I have not done before, as it is the 4th Championships counter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham Breeze
Plenty of interesting info and comment to mull over. I certainly won't be underestimating the challenge as I have not done a long Lakeland climb for many years. I am really looking forward to it and hope to post a decent time so that I can call myself a fell runner.
Also, does anyone know if the camping referred to in the race info is on an established open to all campsite or a field available just for the race weekend.
Enjoy. My favourite and probably one of the toughest AMs there is. Great running throughout but the run in to Buttermere from Eel crag is another level. Fell running at it's best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llani Boy
Its certainly a toughie.
That climb up to Causey Pike takes longer than you feel it should!
Given the recent post's on this Forum's demise and future this particular thread is an example of how it is worth its weight in gold.
I got so much information about the race, which stood me in good stead for last weekend, and it no doubt helped to get me around in 2hrs 13min which was most pleasing considering I felt crap prior to the race.
Thanks for the comments, all which I found to be true. Although very tough it is now my favourite AM.
A great weekend all round as I stayed over Friday and Saturday night in a camper van that a friend has for sale that she let me try out. Fortunately I wrapped up the M65 category for this year so don't have to "race" Wasdale which is just as well because I tweaked a calf on a recovery run the day after and haven't run since.
Congratulations Llani!!
Well done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llani Boy
If I am asked on my deathbed if I have any regrets (well, fell running regrets) I will say that I wish I had raced Sailbeck more often than I did.