I take it your the UKIP Membership secretary?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank
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I take it your the UKIP Membership secretary?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank
Not sure Dom. Stella pricing is possibly a more complex issue: a European brand brewed in the UKQuote:
Originally Posted by dominion
As one of the great philosophical touchstones of the 20th century (Roy Walker off Catchphrase) recommended: say what you see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
Nearly there, just need "It's political correctness gone mad!" for a full house.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
Can't beat a game of Daily Mail reader bingo. 15 points for a "They're over here taking all our jobs!", anyone? What about 25 points for a "You should be ashamed. She's the best leader we've ever had"
Now, I'm not racist, but...Quote:
Originally Posted by Derby Tup
The point is Hank, the only bigoted people on this thread are the anti-UKIP brigade. Everyone else has actually been having a decent discussion about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank
I don't agree with UKIP on a lot of things but people are allowed to express their opinions.
There's been no bigoted comments from myself, despite my views. Made a few atttempts to explore Mr B's views a little further though they appeared to fall on deaf ears.
Well, I'm certainly prejudiced against some of the cack UKIP come out with, so I guess it's a fair cop.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHeathens
And, yes, absolutely, people should be allowed to express their opinions, whatever they may be. I don't have a problem with that. But if you've got posters of Farage up on your bedroom wall you should probably expect a bit of stick.
The issues related to UKIP are certainly emotive subjects so there's bound to be some strong views expressed from the opposition. If I'd been asked a few years ago if any fellow forumites would have voted UKIP my repsonse would have been no. In recent times considering some of the posts you read these days, nothing would surprise me. The forum doesn't seem to be what it once was, and I certainly frequent these pages far less than I used to - seems to be the case for others too, some of whom have sadly disapeared completely.
Things evolve as always, but I think it's more or less the same. Anyone with a viewpoint that is anywhere to the right of Polly Toynbee is slagged off in a quite viscous and nasty way.Quote:
Originally Posted by The devil's own
I've been on the forum for 7 years and it's been just the same.
It's not because the majority on the forum are like that, it's because of a prejudiced minority.
It's one reason why there are so many readers of the forum who don't post.
Yeah the forum nowadays is a concentrated mix of fascists and fell running weirdos like me :).
It's becoming a very boring place for an argument about safety, football and politics with a few interesting fell running topics from time to time. Many forumites who bang on about these things don't even run in the fells as far as I can tell!
I don't think thats true..Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHeathens
I do agree UKIP and their supporters should have a view but when that is encouraging hate and pushing ignorant misinformed views then they should be refuted... if they disagree, argue back... you have, you've been making a case about how trade can work. But I'm not sure those who say we should stop all immigration have...
Where's CL when we need him? I seem to remember an argument along the lines of: all political parties are prejudiced against certain sections of society.
Is our forum a microcosm of that? Poor WP being victimised due to his right-wing views?
What right wing views are they exactly Noel? I actually think that this right wing / left wing is a load of clap trap. In some areas I would be seen as right wing and others left.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel
Faced with what we have for example, going in to the next election I would have bringing the railways back in to public ownership as a policy.
My best friend is a communist and he has a long history of political involvement and been seen on the picket lines with the miners as well as chasing Jack Straw and Condoleezza Rice down the M62.
But it's surprising when we chew the cud how close we are on many issues.
I'm not right wing, my best friend's a communist! Sounds like something you'd hear on a comedy show.
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Originally Posted by IainR
The reason there are no convincing arguments from the UKIP lot on here is because UKIP as a party are not making any arguments, they're making scapegoats.
They take a problem and they point a finger at a small group of people.
It's a simple answer to a complicated problem, and simple answers make simple people feel comfortable.
Unfortunately simple answers are rarely correct.
Those people who don't want more foreigners coming here would do well to pick up a history book and learn why those foreigners are coming here.
I didn't really have you in mind Iain when I said that. More people like Stolly who just likes to dip his toe in an argument, abuse a few people and then slink off again. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by IainR
Danbert doesn't want to listen to any counter arguments because he's so entrenched in his position already.
Isn't that what you're doing added to a fair amount of verbal abuse? At least this latest post is a little more sensible and without the inflammatory language, but you haven't really had anything to say apart from slagging off anyone who may have been inclined to vote for UKIP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry
Who did you vote for?
Are their policies all clear and well thought out?
Have they got any raving loonies or perhaps even criminals within their ranks?
Are they racist, sexist and homophobic free?
Are they tolerant of religious views?
Wouldn't it be better to give out your positive message and try and make the case for what you stand for, because all I can see is hatred. Hatred of Thatcher, Bankers, Tories, Daily Mail Readers, all things Man Utd....
Stolly in 'moaning about the forum' shocker!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stolly
I haven't got a dog but I feel like I'm intimately involved with yours because of the amount of photos you put on here. However, I don't feel the need to go and proclaim how little interest I actually have in your dog because I know that it may interest some people that actually know you. What's (incredibly) boring to me will interest someone else.
This part of the forum is called 'Down the Pub' - a place for non-fellrunning talk. May I suggest that you steer clear of subjects that don't interest you in future? Which appears to be politics, football and safety. Running in the fells (which I do) is not a pre-requisite for posting on an internet forum.
Remember the Political Compass test? http://www.politicalcompass.org/testQuote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
http://www.politicalcompass.org/imag...swithnames.gif
I'm closest to Milton Friedman on there.
http://www.politicalcompass.org/prin...3.75&soc=-2.56
Dan, to whom do you refer when you say "the UKIP lot"? This is a running theme of all these types of thread where anyone showing right of centre inclinations, is barged all the way over to far right by the victimisation from any centre/centre-left posters. In fact the very sort of xenophobic behaviour parties right of centre are consistently accused of on such threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry
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WUKIP hehe
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Originally Posted by micktor
c.r.e.a.m
Interesting. In the 3.5 years since we did this last, I've moved to the right on economic issues and become slightly less of a libertarian. Age perhaps?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHeathens
Danbert was the most fascist person on the forum last time, apparently!!!
http://forum.fellrunner.org.uk/showt...ical%20compass
I've just done it and come between gandhi and the centre on the left and about half way down the libertarian scale. These results are a bit of a surprise tbh, must be chillingout as I get older.
Ah. I came out here and I wasn't even trying..Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHeathens
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Some of those questions seriously need an 'it depends' answer.
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Originally Posted by Witton Park
Here is what I stand for.
Our country is made up of every race, skin colour, religion, height and personality this world has known and it is something we should all be extremely proud of. We are powerful country because we have the best in the world working in our cities and investing in our futures
In my opinion, the only people who would ever vote for UKIP are those who think they deserve better than immigrants. The matter of fact is, if they work hard enough to beat you then you're clearly not a good enough candidate for the job in the first place. Get over it.
Similar... I'm quite surprised how left I came out.. I tend to think of myself as fairly centre/left of centre... but came out quite far left libertarian..Quote:
Originally Posted by The devil's own
Must be some trends that can be picked out - we've come out pretty much the same and we had similar views over on another thread, where as those calling for a 15 year old boy to be hung also voted UKIP.Quote:
Originally Posted by IainR
I agree with that Danbert but immigration isn't the only point being argued.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry
Based on the results last time, the most likely UKIP voter is Danbert ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by The devil's own
My closest match would be Lib Dems and CL would be the closest forumite.
http://forum.fellrunner.org.uk/attac...tid=7644&stc=1
I have not read the whole thread (cant be arsed) so simply replying to the OP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
I was determined to cast a vote, so left Mid-South Wales mid-afternoon to return to Tameside to caste at 9pm.
But I was equally determined not to vote for any of the 'big 4' (no longer the 'big 3'?).
So I looked down the list and cast a 'Green' vote even though I knew little about the candidate of the manifesto.
I'm still trying to examine if this is a real personal shift or just a protestation, but f ts the latter its the first time in 30 years of voting.
It's amazing how few people would vote Green in this country. They have a full set of policies & really strong on social issues. They have a vision for the future, which although flawed in some ways, would set in motion a sorely-needed revolution in housing & communities & the economy (opening up alternative ways of living without forcing it on anyone), and it couldn't possibly be any more of a F-up than what the big parties get away with term after term in office.Quote:
Originally Posted by OB1
But no, protest-votes have to go to the lunatic bandwagon.
I loved this comparison between what Farage and Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall have achieved for Britain through the EU.
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Originally Posted by LissaJous
LIKE! :)
But....Maybe the Green's should recruit Nigel rather than Hugh?:rolleyes:
Just for the campaign? and then ditch him?;)
If only the Greens where more left wing I'd vote for 'em. According to the compass anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by LissaJous
This forum needs a Like button.Quote:
Originally Posted by LissaJous
That's what I was thinking. I got one square away from bottom left on that test. Can't work out how to copy and paste it now. But, yeah, would be good to have a 'popular' far-left party to vote for.Quote:
Originally Posted by shaunaneto
You did well in the first paragraph, but you couldn't resist could you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry
I can prove your opinion is wrong. I've no beef with the immigrants. I voted purely to give the main parties a kick up the backside like most of the others.
OB1 chose the Greens - perfectly justified, but tactically they were less likely to make an impact.
The ONLY issue I agree with UKIP on as far as I am aware is the EU. They did support flat rate tax, but I think they've shelved that pending a new set of policies for the manifesto.
Another on the left who can't resist insulting people just because they have a counter opinion. I think the Greens attracted protest votes as well, but protest votes tend to be tactical and so tend to go where there's best chance of a result.Quote:
Originally Posted by LissaJous
Post rewritten because no-one seemed to notice the original ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
UKIP's a bandwagon and it's made up of lunatics. Case closed.